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Intermezzo: The Ring and the Grail 2

The Holy Grail! Most people think they know a certain amount about it, even if their only exposure to the legends of the Grail come from watching Monty Python and the Holy Grail and some forgettable film or other starring Harrison Ford. You can check this by asking a dozen of your friends to tell you everything they remember about the Holy Grail. Unless they’re serious geeks, or simply know nothing at all about the subject, most of them will tell you that it was supposed to be the cup that Jesus of Nazareth used at the Last Supper, that King Arthur’s knights went looking for it, and wasn’t there something about a rabbit with nasty vicious teeth? One or two of them might recall that Sir Galahad had something to do with the Grail, and so did the castle of Caer Bannog—or was that the rabbit again?

Surprisingly enough, the Rabbit of Caer Bannog doesn’t feature in the original Grail legends.

If this is what comes to your mind when you think of the Grail—well, setting aside the dreaded Rabbit of Caer Bannog—you’ve just demonstrated the enduring effect of medieval spin doctors. Yes, spin doctoring goes back to the Middle Ages, and quite a bit further still, in fact. The version of the Grail legend whose last dim echoes cling to most minds these days is the result of the work of some capable medieval practitioners of that dubious art. It has almost nothing in common with the oldest surviving forms of the legend. There were solid reasons for that, which we’ll discover as we proceed with a quest of our own.

That quest begins with Chrétien de Troyes, a French poet of the twelfth century. He’s the author of the first surviving Grail story, Perceval, ou la Conte du Graal, which was written sometime around 1190. Chrétien had already written four other Arthurian stories, all of them bestsellers by the standards of the time, and helped kickstart the fad for Arthurian romances that played so huge a role in shaping the imagination of the Middle Ages. He claimed that he got the story of Perceval from a book lent to him by one of his noble patrons—a claim which, weirdly, most modern scholars dismiss out of hand.

Enter Perceval, stage left. He has a long road ahead of him.

The story Chrétien told is a very strange one. It begins with a young man raised in the forest by his widowed mother, in complete ignorance of his heritage. He meets a group of knights riding by, and mistakes them for angels; once this is cleared up, he decides that he wants to become a knight, and goes off to have adventures, abandoning his mother, who dies of grief. After a visit to King Arthur’s court and an assortment of other adventures, he comes to the castle of the enigmatic Fisher King, who is wounded and cannot heal. There he sees a curious spectacle: a procession in which, flanked by candles, a bloody spear and a grail are carried past. Having been told that it’s rude to ask too many questions, he doesn’t ask the Fisher King about this.

He spends the night in the castle, and wakes the next morning to find it empty. Later, a strange and supremely ugly maiden tells him that if he had asked about the grail, the Fisher King would have been healed of his wound. She also tells the young man his own name, Perceval, which she knows but he does not. Perceval then vows to find the castle of the Fisher King again and ask the question, and rides off to another set of adventures…

…and it was at this point that Chrétien de Troyes died, leaving the story unfinished. Nobody knows how he meant to end it.

Let’s note something before going on. The word “grail,” graal in the original, was a provincial French word for the kind of broad flat dish that was used to serve a large fish at a medieval banquet. The grail, in other words, wasn’t originally a cup at all: it was a platter. Nor did Chrétien call it the Holy Grail; he refers to it, rather, as the rich grail.

It took a lot of spin doctoring to turn a platter into this.

Chrétien’s story was wildly popular. Three other writers of the time wrote their versions of what came next in the story; their three Continuations, as these are called, soon got mixed up with the original. Another author, Robert de Boron, wrote his own version of the whole legend, which brought in the Christian element; in his three books, Joseph of Arimathea, Merlin, and Perceval, the grail became the platter (not the cup) that Jesus used at the Last Supper, and a great deal of theology found its way into the story.

Then there was the version that bears most directly on our quest, Parzival, which was written around 1210 by Wolfram von Eschenbach and ranks as one of the supreme masterpieces of medieval German literature. Wolfram also claimed to have gotten the story from a book—once again, weirdly, modern scholars dismiss this claim out of hand—but it’s a different story from Chrétien’s, in crucial ways. Wolfram’s Grail is a stone, not a platter; he describes it as “the longing for paradise,” and explains that it has a name: lapsit exillas. We’ll get to that shortly.

The Grail quest also produced many job opportunities for gardeners who could put in a shrubbery.

Between them, Robert de Boron and Wolfram von Eschenbach threw open the floodgates. Grail legends accordingly surged across the European landscape during the half century that followed. The earlier ones, published before 1225 or so, had certain things in common. They had Perceval (or Parzival, or Percival, or Perlesvaus, or some other version of the same name) for their hero; they included some version of the strange ceremony at the Fisher King’s castle; and in nearly all of them, the Grail is associated with secrets of a religious nature. Those secrets may be holy names or mysterious prayers or simply “the mystery of the Grail,” but it’s stressed over and over again that these are profound and frightening secrets of deep importance, and they have to do with the essential themes of Christian faith.

To anybody in the medieval Western world, those hints and warnings could have only one meaning: heresy. Which heresy is no secret, either, because Wolfram gives the game away. The only reason that this isn’t recognized is that modern scholars have engaged in the most spectacular contortions to avoid talking about the obvious meaning of that phrase lapsit exillas. I’ve seen it interpreted as lapis exilis, “stone of exile;” as lapis ex caelis, “stone from heaven;” as lapis elixir, “elixir stone;” and any number of other equally improbable ways. (I don’t know of anyone who’s interpreted it as Lapsang Souchong and announced that the Grail was really a teapot, but equally absurd arguments have been made.)

What makes this fascinating is that lapsit exillas has a straightforward Latin meaning. Lapsit is a standard poetic contraction of lapsavit, “he, she, or it fell.” Exillas is two words, ex illas, “from among them,” and as anybody with even a basic familiarity with Latin knows, ille and its derivatives have an honorific force. “From among Them” catches some of the flavor.

Sophia, goddess of wisdom, the last of the divine aeons.

The name of the Grail, then, is “She fell from among Them.” We’re talking about Gnosticism, of course. The central Gnostic myth tells of how Sophia, Wisdom, the last emanated of the divine Aeons, fell from the world of light through her desire for independent creation, and by that act brought into being the fallen world we live in. Her fall, her repentance, and the redemption through wisdom she offers to the sparks of divine light that fell with her into material existence: these sum up the narrative structure of Gnosticism.

Nor was Gnosticism anything like an unfamiliar concept at the time. The years between 1190 and 1250, when the first great wave of Grail legends were written, were also the heyday of the Cathar heresy, a rival to established Christianity that came within an ace or two of displacing the official church in much of France and significant parts of Spain and Italy as well. The Cathars, called Albigensians (“those people from Albi”) by the church, were Gnostics, and their apogee marked the last great flowering of the Gnostic faith before modern times. It’s a matter of historical record that the Inquisition was created to exterminate the Cathars, and only turned to other victims once the Cathars (and half the population of southern France with them) had been wiped off the face of the earth.

This is where the phrase “Kill them all, God will know his own” came from. It was Catholic policy during the massacres of the Cathars.

It’s at this point that the spin doctors become relevant. They were monks, most of them, writing in a handful of monasteries in France and England, and their creation was the version of the Grail legend that most people in the English-speaking world remember today. They got rid of Perceval as quickly as they could—he was married when he found the Grail, after all, and we can’t have that!—and replaced him with a newly invented knight, Galahad.

Some of my readers may be familiar with the term “Mary Sue.” For those who aren’t, this is the standard term among writers for a fictional character who exists solely to act out the author’s wish-fulfillment fantasies. (I’ve heard the term “Marty Stu” used sometimes for the masculine equivalent, which is just as common, but I prefer to avoid assuming Mary Sue’s gender and use the original for both sexes.) Mary Sues as main characters make for a very specific kind of fiction, utterly compelling to readers who share the authors’ insecurities and fantasies, utterly unbearable to those who don’t. This makes them tolerably useful, in that you can very often use the response to a given Mary Sue to tell quite a bit about the person who responds.

Galahad’s a great example of this. He’s the supreme Mary Sue of the Christian mystic. All the Christian mystics I’ve ever met think he’s wonderful, and wish they were more like him. Everyone else thinks he’s an insufferable prig. He drips purity out of every pore, and this makes him invincible in combat. He shows up at King Arthur’s court, proves that he’s destined to find the Grail by sitting in the Perilous Seat that’s swallowed up every other claimant, gallops off at top speed to find the Grail, promptly finds it, drops dead on the spot in an odor of sanctity so strong it’s practically a stench, and is wafted straight to Heaven by a gaggle of angels.

Sir Galahad in a typical pose.

Then the Grail, which in these stories is of course the cup of the Last Supper and the chalice of the Mass, is hauled away to heaven as well, so don’t you even think of looking for it, you naughty heretics! The mysterious ceremony at the Fisher King’s castle vanishes without a trace, too, replaced by the standard Catholic Mass. It’s a very efficient transformation of a once-threatening narrative, and it makes for a good lively story, at least if you can stand Galahad. Interestingly, the spin doctoring continues in certain circles; you can find any number of recent Christian mystics who insist that the Galahad version of the story is the only one that matters.

Richard Wagner, to circle back to our theme, was not a Christian mystic. His attitude toward Christian mysticism can be gauged quite precisely from the fact that Galahad appears nowhere in his version of the Grail story, which he duly named Parsifal after its main character. Wolfram von Eschenbach was his main source, but he was clearly aware of the whole trajectory of the Grail story, and drew on multiple versions for his own purposes. In a certain sense, Wagner’s Parsifal was also a Mary Sue, but his Mary Sueness was handled much more deftly than Galahad’s, and it also applies to dimensions of human experience much more commonly encountered than the travails of the devout Christian mystic. We’ll get to that as we proceed.

From the Grail quest…to this.

Yet the Grail also has a distinctive role in Wagner’s artistic cosmos, and it’s one that builds on the themes we’ve been discussing all through this sequence of posts. Two weeks ago we talked about the way that in Wagner’s view, the archaic mythic image of the sun-treasure got split apart in recent centuries, divided like so much else in our sundered world into sacred and secular halves. The secular half of the sun-treasure archetype ended up attached to money, that system of arbitrary tokens we use to manage the exchange of goods and services in modern societies. That archetypal force, Wagner held, goes a long way to explain the immense and irrational magnetism that money exerts on the modern psyche.

There’s also the sacred side of the division, however. Here Wagner was just as explicit: he argued that the sacred dimensions of the archaic sun-treasure ended up concentrated, in the imagination of the Western world, in the legends of the Holy Grail. It’s an intriguing suggestion, but to make sense of it we’ll have to take a closer look at the division itself.

Most societies around the world and throughout history haven’t drawn a hard and fast line between the sacred and the secular. The two interpenetrate so completely that many of the world’s languages have no word for “religion.” This isn’t because there’s a shortage of activities of the kind we call “religious.” It’s because the people who speak these languages had no need to separate them out from all other human activities.

“She’s practicing Umbrellianity — that’s her weatherism.”

In English, to point up a comparable situation, we have no general word for “activities done in response to the weather.” We open umbrellas, put on or take off sweaters, dive into swimming pools, turn up the heat or the air conditioning, and do quite a few other things to respond to the weather, but we don’t set them apart from all our other activities and assign a special word to them. In the same way, people who speak the languages we’re discussing say prayers, make offerings, learn and repeat sacred stories, and do most or all of the other things that we call “religious,” but they don’t set them apart from their other activities and have a general word for “activities done in response to the gods.”

There’s actually a straightforward reason for the evolution of that category in our society. It’s an act of collective self-preservation. It so happens that the religious specialists in most other cultures don’t claim infallible access to the will of the Divine. Ours do—and this is just as true of Protestant clergy who insist on the infallibility of the Bible as it is of Catholic clergy who insist on the infallibility of the Pope. It so happens that religious specialists also tend to be sources of very bad advice about subjects outside the realm of faith and morals, and this hasn’t kept them from offering such advice and claiming infallibility for it—and here again, this is as true of the Bible as it is of the Pope.

Thus in the Western world we’ve carved out a special category of “things that religious specialists are allowed to monkey with,” which we call “religion.” Until our religious specialists finally get around to noticing that they have no more business handing down edicts about geology or economics than geologists or economists have handing down edicts about theology, that division will probably have to remain in place as a matter of sheer survival. All this, in turn, serves as background for Wagner’s insight.

On any subject outside of faith and morals, his chance of being right is no better than anyone else’s. If clergy accepted this, we’d all be better off.

He was right, of course, that the legends of the Grail emerged in Europe around the time that European religious specialists started to claim the right to tell everyone else what to do about everything, and he was also right that the division between the two sides of the ancient sun-treasure widened as the claims of religious specialists became more extreme. It’s interesting to note, though, the divergent trajectories of the divided treasure. As money came to dominate the collective imagination of the Western world, the Grail faded from sight—and not only the Grail.

All the old mythic images stole away from the increasingly glaring light of the conscious mind and found new homes in the darkness, where they could exercise their power unnoticed. This didn’t decrease their power, quite the contrary: it’s the mythic image you don’t recognize and therefore can’t take into account consciously that has the most power over your mind. Thus one great advantage of being mythologically literate is that you can choose the narratives you use to understand the world, instead of letting the old mythic patterns play merry hob with your mind in ways you can’t anticipate or even perceive.

Carl Jung, watching in dismay as people keep on believing that the inner world of myth doesn’t matter so long as they pretend it doesn’t.

Thus it’s inaccurate to see the Grail as a counterbalance to money, a sacred image holding the balance vis-a-vis the secularized image of money. Money exercises the whole emotional and imaginative force of the ancient sun-treasure. It’s just that it does so in a covert way, slipping through the crawlspaces of the Western mind to twist our thinking into its own shape. Most people accordingly go through their whole lives without ever noticing that they’re stumbling through the trajectory of an archaic myth, seeking a Grail that they’re destined never to find, because they can’t get the clarity they would need to ask the right question at the right time.

What makes the Grail legend important in Wagner’s mature thought is not what it is, but what it could be. He saw the Grail—or rather a galaxy of ideas and insights that rotated around the old image of the Grail—as a potential answer to the dreadful conundrum posed by The Twilight of the Gods, the riddle that brought him to the brink of suicide and drove George Bernard Shaw to betray everything he once believed in. Is it possible to get the Ring back to the bottom of the Rhine without burning the world down in the process? In less mythic language, is it possible to break the spell of commodification by any means short of the decline and fall of civilization and the coming of a new dark age?

Wagner thought that there might be. In the final installments of this series of posts, we’ll consider the option that he proposed in his last opera.

45 Comments

  1. The Grail was a platter subject to spin doctoring? That’s quite appropriate since metal spinning is the art of turning a sheet of metal into a pot or bowl. It’s quite capable of turning a platter into a cup.

    The curious can look up metal spinning on YouTube.

  2. Dear sir, I protest your remark about the glorious third Indiana Jones movie! It has won a special place in my heart from when I first watched it as a boy. And so long as I live it shall not be forgotten!
    Thinking about it now. It would be a nice touch to watch it again. I have not seen it in more then a decade, so it might be nice to see how much it aged. And how much it aged for me.
    Just thinking about it, even without today’s essay, it has some silly tests of character, and the grail must have unrealistic “wash away gunshot wounds” healing powers.
    I wonder how I would react watching it again today…
    Equating it with gnostics, that, wow. It makes so much sense.

    To think about it, the grail featured prominently in my youth. There were movies, books, murals, frescoes and even video games where it featured (not as a cup, but something hidden. Of course there was a treasure map). It always had an appeal, I just could not understand it. Maybe, for me, it acted as a gateway drug.

    I wonder how damaging all the spin doctoring is on the average western psyche. But reading this, imagining myself as a dr. Jones Senior while my son comes to my study, where I am reading my books seeking gnosis. That is a nice image. Although I admit, I might divination from the image a bit and go spend some time with my kid. 🙂
    To think of it, Owen Merrill makes a better dr. jones senior. 🙂

  3. Speaking of religion, the people on Anarres call it the “religious mode”, which I guess was in the analogic philosophy of Odo. But that speaks to this separation you’ve delineated that causes such a hang up for so many people in the West.

    Infallibility has the word fall in it. Something about fall from grace, fallen world, the fall of man, seems to a particular item of obsession.

  4. “Galahad’s a great example of this. He’s the supreme Mary Sue of the Christian mystic.”

    This somehow never clicked with me before, but it’s pretty obvious once you point it out.

    This may sound silly, but the relationship between Percival and Galahad reminds me a lot of that between Grover and Elmo on Sesame Street: in the mid-1980’s, the young, innocent, and absolutely annoying (though YMMV) Elmo, whose main gimmick is talking in third person because of his youth and naivete, increasingly replaced the much more clever, versatile, and funny Grover, whose convoluted antics might annoy the other characters or even himself but never the viewer.

  5. “Mary Sues as main characters make for a very specific kind of fiction, utterly compelling to readers who share the authors’ insecurities and fantasies, utterly unbearable to those who don’t. This makes them tolerably useful, in that you can very often use the response to a given Mary Sue to tell quite a bit about the person who responds.”

    You answered a question I’ve been asking myself for years. Why is it that, in the Isekai genre (the Japanese genre that involves some socially inept NEET getting hit by a truck and whisked away to a D&D style fantasy land via reincarnation with his memories intact), most characters are Mary Sues?

    In most cases (except the parodies), the main characters are gifted with powers so beyond the world into which they are reincarnated that they effortlessly go through life defeating enemies and acquiring fortune, fame and women. It’s “utterly unbearable” to read or watch.

  6. Your Galahad example picture immediately reminded me of similar neutral example pictures of Joan D’Arc. And that seemed even more apropos while reading Kimberley Steele’s latest “Etheric Yin and Yang” post. It got me wondering if I’m being overly influenced by current affairs or if maybe the original authors were hinting that Galahad had a secret. Gotta go dig up Ravenscroft’s grail/blood books and see if he might have suggested that. Suddenly also wondering if he was of Druidic persuasion.

  7. Justin, ha! And here I figured that was one more incident in the history of the Ring of Eibon.

    Siliconguy, okay, that’s funny. Thank you.

    Marko, no accounting for taste, I suppose. 😉 Thank you, though — I hadn’t imagined Owen Merrill played by Sean Connery.

    Justin, even thinking of it as a distinctive mode is, I think, very Western. Would the analogic philosophy of Odo include a meteorological mode?

    Slithy, I never watched Sesame Street, but from your comments, yeah, it sounds similar.

    Dennis, I wasn’t aware of that, but yeah, it’s a good example.

    Oldguytoo, nah, it’s precisely that Galahad doesn’t have a secret. He’s a manufactured attempt to insist that there’s no secret to be had.

  8. I’m having trouble following the part about the vanishing image. The old image of the treasure was split into two portions, the secular and the sacred. The sacred gradually faded from view… and afterwards, all of the treasure’s power over people’s souls was concentrated in the secular image of money. Or in other words, if we skip past the stage in which two portions exist separately, the spiritual dimension of the treasure has become invisible, but the treasure remained as compelling as if its still-visible secular portion still had spiritual as well as material value, although those who desire it may struggle to recognise that their desire for it is not merely “economically rational”?

    Whereas Wagner sought to find and reclaim the sacred portion of the treasure, drawing this power away from money towards this other image?

    Do I have this right?

  9. Suggested reading – Phyllis Ann Karr’s “Idylls of the Queen”, a meaningful and hilarious take on the Round Table from the viewpoint of Sir Kay, Arthur’s sarcastic and cynical seneschal. It’s also a murder mystery taken straight from Mallory. A lot of depth to it and eminently readable, and as a take on the Grail Quest and the Fisher King, on Morgan Le Fay, et. al, ties in quite nicely with this topic. Ace Books 1982, mass market pb.

  10. Excellent essay JMG. This series is building up to a great conclusion!

    I took a deep dive into the primary sources on the Grail legends a few years ago and I recommend this book, which compiles all of the manuscripts, including the three continuations: https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-complete-story-of-the-grail-chretien-de-troyes-perceval-and-its-continuations-nigel-bryant/11847844?ean=9781843844983&next=t

    I’m still fairly ignorant about Gnosticism, and it is time to change that. My sense is that there is a lot of nonsense written about it, and it probably takes reading a number of sources to get a decent overview. What, in your view, are the best 2-3 books to start with to get an overview on Gnosticism?

  11. Thank you for another lucid and engaging essay, JMG. You have me on the edge of my seat waiting for the next installment.

    On the subject of spin doctoring, in “The Magic Arts in Celtic Britain,” Lewis Spence had a similar take on the transformations applied to the Celtic pagan sources of the Grail myth by the likes of Chrétien de Troyes, Robert de Borron, Wolfram von Eschenbach, and others.

    In the older Celtic tales, the grail was alternately a cauldron, a dish, or a stone, but not a cup. Spence wrote a blistering indictment of the French and German spin doctors in his forthright Scottish style: “A good deal of nonsense has been written concerning the profundity of the Christian mysticism which inspires the Grail legend, and there can be little doubt that Tennyson, Richard Wagner and others are responsible for much of the pious glamor which hangs about it…. The pious folk who transformed the Grail legend into a Christian tradition caparisoned it with the trappings of Christian myth at a period when that was inspired by the most grovelling and absurd superstitions….”

    Carl Jung’s interest in the grail legends, alchemy and gnosticism and are well documented. His lifetime of work circumambulates the idea of the Self, of which the grail, the stone, and the light of Wisdom (Sophia) are all images. He believed that humanity is confronted with the threat of a long fall into darkness unless we are able to, as you put it, “break the spell.”

    As I see it, finding answers to the right questions is essential to fulfilling the central quest of our time.

    I’m grateful for your presence.

  12. Chalice versus a platter? Well, the platter that plays a part in Christianity would be the one that bore John the Baptist’s head, wouldn’t it? And a platter lacks the sexual dimension of a chalice, as the chalice is often placed near a sword. Not so with a platter.

    I read Wolfram’s “Parsifal” back in the day, quite a few years ago. The part that stuck with me was his relationship with his mom, who dressed him in ridiculous clothes so he’d never become a knight, that is to say become a man. I remembered the ugly bargain bin clothes my mom used to buy for me, and that she seemed to want to discourage me from going out with girls. Although it never set me upon a grail quest, I do think Wolfram was psychologically astute about it.

    The question Parsifal failed to ask has always puzzled me: How was he to know? Is this the “overwhelming question to which T.S. Eliot refers? A matter of ripeness, perhaps.

  13. @JMG #8
    No argument about Galahad’s boring perfection vs. Parsifal’s interesting innocent mistakes, but was Galahad being Lancelot’s bastard a later addition and not a secret? Thanks, Drew C

  14. A note on the Latin: according to what I was taught in school, the preposition ‘ex’ is always used with the ablative case. So ‘from among them’ would be ‘ex illis’.

    ‘Illas’ is in the accusative case, which takes the pronoun ‘ad’. ‘Ad illas’ would translate as ‘into their [feminine] midst’. Unless ‘ex illas’ was a common medieval (mis)usage, it makes less sense grammatically than the other interpretations you mention.

    BUT if we allow the hypothesis that ‘exillas’ is a medieval misspelling of the adjective ‘exilis’ (thin, small, meagre, poor, feeble), ‘lapsit exilis’ could be translated as ‘The Poor Fallen One’, which would fit the divine Sophia pretty well. (And it reminds me of the first of the Beatitudes: ‘Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.’)

    ‘Lapis exilis’ is also still a contender in my opinion, since ‘Worthless Stone’ is one way of referring to the common, everyday consciousness that the alchemists were toiling to transmute into the gold of enlightened consciousness. (Which reminds me of Christ saying that ‘the stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone’ – Matthew 21:42).
    That is, the Grail is all around you and within you, waiting for your holy inquisitiveness to work upon it and transform it into something precious and mighty, as the simple fish platter was able to become ‘the rich grail’ that held within it the Ichtus or healing spirit of Christ.

    Either way, it seems likely that Chretien was working hard to play to both his Christian and his Gnostic readers. I’d never made the Gnostic connection explicitly before, but I think you’re right that it fits the historical context rather well. Just please have mercy on us poor fallen Latin scholars whose noses have such trouble rising out of our dictionaries 🙂

  15. I’ve long had the thought that I look forward to Wednesdays as an equivalent day to Sundays, a day of sermon. This weeks post reminds me exactly why. So many layers of meaning are wrapped up in this post, touching on our every day lives to the situation going on with the decline of the Western Empire to the possible futures we can lay seeds and work for. Thanks for continuing to provide this sacred space of sanity and finding ones center no matter what else is going on within and around us.

  16. Not sure where this is all going but these things seem like important clues.

    The Fisher King – Is this Jesus The King of Kings and Fisher of men, who died because of a spear to the side (while being crucified)?
    Is Perceval who was raised by his mother in the wilderness the son of the Fisher King?
    (like how Perseus is the son of Zeus?)

    Why does Sophia’s story have so much in common with Lucifer’s story?
    ( Does the path back to the Divine start with renunciation of arrogance, just as the beginning of wisdom starts with the recognition of your ignorance?)

    Spear and Grail are pretty obviously male and female, but not sure how platter works in that metaphor.

    And how this relates to getting the gold back to the Rhine maidens ??? ( I will just have to wait for the next installment. Lol)

  17. I’m not very familiar with the Percival myth, but from your description, it smells suspiciously like the ancient mysteries, especially the hero cult versions of them. (Percival seems rather reminiscent of Perseus in general; Odysseus’s mother died of grief after he set out on adventures and he abandoned a comrade with a wound which would never heal, too; etc.)

    Do you know of a good English version of the early form of Percival myth? I’d be curious to add it to my list of mysteries to study…

  18. I think it was sometime during the Lebanese Civil War that I saw a news photo of a fighter identified as Druse wearing a t-shirt with the motto “Kill Them All, God will Sort Them Out” or it may have been “. . . Let God Sort Them Out.” Needless to say, I was struck by the irony.

    Rita

  19. Daniil, yes, that’s what I was trying to suggest.

    Patricia M, hmm! I’ll consider that.

    Samurai_47, I hadn’t seen that complete version yet, and will have to pick up a copy. In terms of Gnosticism, Elaine Pagels’ The Gnostic Gospels is still the most widely recommended introductory book; after that, I recommend Bentley Layton’s The Gnostic Scriptures for a fine deep dive into the original texts.

    Justin, then there are the Umbrellian, Galoshian, and Just-Plain-Soaked-To-The-Skinnian modes!

    Goldenhawk, thank you! Yes, that’s classic Spence. He was among other things reacting to the writings of A.E. Waite, who wrote two long dull books trying with all his might to define the Galahad version of the story as the only one that counts and sweeping everything other than orthodox Christianity under every available rug.

    Phutatorius, Wolfram is very psychologically astute — he’s constantly doing things like this. As for the question, it’s quite common in certain initiation rituals for the candidate to be refused on a first try due to not being able to answer a question correctly; he’s then taken around a few more times, taught some things, and then returns to the chief officer of the lodge, gives the right answer, and gets the secrets of the degree. This is one of the things that led Jessie Weston to see the Grail legend as a veiled narrative from an initiation ritual.

    Teresa, there’s something funny going on with the interface between my writing program and the blog. I’ll see what I can do about it.

    Drew, it was never a secret. The people who invented Galahad made him Lancelot’s illegitimate son from the beginning, and splashed it all over the stories.

    Dylan, so noted! I’ll look at garblings of ille in medieval sources.

    Prizm, you’re most welcome and thank you.

    Justin, yes, exactly.

    Dobbs, you’ll certainly have to wait for the next installment, or more precisely the next couple of installments. The Fisher King in the legends is usually an older relative of Parsifal, but the echoes of Christian legend are of course deliberate; the parallels between the stories of Sophia and Lucifer are relevant, but note that Sophia repented; and the platter (or shield) pairs with the sword, as the cup pairs with the spear. Not all polarities are sexual!

    Roldy, good. Yes, exactly — having made the mistake of wiping out their primary quarry, the Inquisition then had to find somebody else to hunt down, torture, and kill. Other heretics were one option, Jews were another, but they didn’t really hit their stride again until the witch panics took off.

    SDI, good. You might want to read Jessie Weston’s From Ritual to Romance, which makes exactly this argument about the Mysteries, and my book The Ceremony of the Grail, which updates and expands on her thesis. Both Chrétien de Troyes’ Perceval and Wolfram von Eschenbach’s Parzival are readily available in English translation, and those are good places to start looking into the older version of the tale.

    Rita, unfortunately that’s a way of thinking that all the Abrahamic religions fall into from time to time.

  20. “All the old mythic images stole away from the increasingly glaring light of the conscious mind and found new homes in the darkness, where they could exercise their power unnoticed. This didn’t decrease their power, quite the contrary: it’s the mythic image you don’t recognize and therefore can’t take into account consciously that has the most power over your mind. Thus one great advantage of being mythologically literate is that you can choose the narratives you use to understand the world, instead of letting the old mythic patterns play merry hob with your mind in ways you can’t anticipate or even perceive”

    Reminds me of:

    “Therefore it is that you, small as you are, have your affinities with these Cosmic Beings and are influenced by their phases from the Absolute down to the atom of your own Earth, which is the Secret Wisdom. For the uninitiated man is acted upon by these forces, but the initiate, by his knowledge, escapes from their influence and uses them for his own ends.” – Cosmic Doctrine, ch 5

  21. There seems to be something cultural with men in their early 20s where they’re more susceptible to Mary Sue literature. Maybe it has something to do with the birth at the mental sheath around 21. There’s a sort of delusional (and maybe Faustian) disregard for limits – “Let’s start a business and get rich!”. This is probably why The Kingkiller Chronicle is so popular. The main character is a total Mary Sue. I’m embarrassed to admit I really liked the series some years ago; now I look on it with wry amusement, although I’ll probably finish the the final book if it is every written. Anyway, this lack of wisdom among coming of age men seems like a lever that could be pressed magically or culturally. The closest thing I can think of right now are those conservative organizations for young people, although those come hand in hand with Christianity. I sure would have liked some coming of age initiation into a usefull way of being besides being legally allowed to buy alcohol. Maybe the natural course of things will take care of it.

  22. Thanks for the essay! Wolfram von Eschenbach probably didn’t speak Latin himself. I mention that because “ex illas” does not exist. It would be “ex illis”.

    Otherwise very interesting. Many people do seem to chase a mirage of wealth or even “independent wealth” without ever getting closer, leaving other, more important goals by the roadside.

  23. “Kill them all, God will know his own” – I’ve never understood that attitude. It always seemed to me that you would want to keep the heretics alive as long as possible; after all, God created them and presumably wants them in heaven, so if you cut off that possibility you’re going to be held responsible for sending them to hell.

  24. Perhaps it is just me being blinded by the narratives told from Abrahamic religions, but I can’t see how the ring can be returned without some sort of sacrifice on our behalf. People are so caught up in money, it’s hard to imagine enough people being persuaded to willingly sacrifice money, whether that be to charity or through volunteering, or other avenues.

    That being said, the Covid experience did seem to encourage many to get out of the money economy and find other ways of sharing value. While the situation may prove chaotic to some extent, there is hope that it doesn’t have to be a complete upheavel, a Ragnarok or Apocalypse. Just something really close ….

  25. I had never heard of the Story of Sophia before. I LOVE IT! We live in such Luciferian times or so i have been thinking. But what if i am wrong what if we are at the beginning of Sophia’s story rather than stuck in Lucifer’s hell.? Yeah sure we have a long hard path in front of us after we reject our hubris and arrogance. The fact that hubris and arrogance is not really working out for us makes rejecting it seems like a reasonable thing to do.

    Leaving Lucifer
    Seeking Sophia
    Is my path forward

  26. Hi John Michael,

    Right, let’s see whether I’m getting these lessons right. Here goes:

    1) Avoid Killer Rabbits and Shrubberies – death + expense;
    2) Don’t attempt direct contact with deities lest the tried and true keepers become obstreperous – death;
    3) Extreme personalities exhibiting equal parts: excellence; arrogance; and hubris – death (although just between you and I, I’d brave the dangers of Castle Anthrax);
    4) Claims to infallibility – probably spiritual death; and
    5) Disregard of entropy – foolish.

    How’s my score? 🙂

    Cheers

    Chris

  27. Are we going to learn more about the mysterious book, or books, used by de Troyes and von Eschenbach?

    Are we in for a discussion of Eliot, perhaps my least favorite of major poets?

  28. JMG and commentariat–
    There are echoes of many themes here. Trying to prevent a son from going to war is found in the stories of the Trojan war with Thetis hiding Achilles among the women’s quarters of a friendly king.
    At least one source I read while studying Arthurian fiction said that the question that Percival should have asked the Fisher King was “What ails thee, Uncle.” in other words a normal expression of concern for someone who is obviously in pain.
    I wonder whether anyone in the time of Henry VIII associated his leg wound that would not heal with the myth of the Fisher King. Probably not publicly since it would have implied that the kingdom was suffering–not flattering to the ego of a ruler.
    In reference to the Inquisition, it is important to remember that there was not one unified Inquisition. The crusade against the Albigensians was one. The Spanish Inquisition was directed against Jews and Moors who had converted to Christianity when the Moors were driven out but were suspected of secretly continuing to practice Judaism or Islam. The Roman Inquisition functioned only in Papal Territories (which extended into parts of Switzerland). The ruler of a territory had to invite an Inquisition, and you may note that no ruler of England ever did so. Those interested in the workings of the Roman Inquisition may find interesting material in _Witchcraft and the Papacy: an Account Drawing on the Formerly Secret Records of the Roman Inquisition_ by Rainer Decker. The Vatican opened some files to scholars a couple of decades ago. Unfortunately for historians Napolean stole many records from the Vatican when he conquered Italy, later promised to return them but never did and no one knows what happened to them.

    Rita

  29. Wow. This is very interesting. It has made me eager to read the original from Chretien de Troyes!

    About the Crusade, when i was at Albi, i was told it was Bernat of Claravall who, while on a mission in 1145, was aparently scared to the marrow by the strength, establishment and maturity that Catharism was gaining in Occitanie, and wrote to the Pope and raised the alarm, giving Albi only as an example of what was going on on the whole region.

    After all, Catharism put down strong roots not only among the peasantry, but among nobles as well, That’s why the Crusade turned out to be so succesful in it’s aftermath: It allowed and gave a pretext for a complete anexation, with almost all noble families in Occitanie wiped out and replaced by Normand lineages.

    Unfortunately for the Cathars, Simon of Montfort turned out to be a very good leader, bold yet meticulous, who took the Castles in the region one by one, and defeated the Catalan king at Muret.

    Guillem.

  30. Teresa, the font changes hide a cryptic message. Something about the Rabbit of Caer Bannog. (That teapot idea is good enough for Monty Python!)

    I read the French Arthurian literature around the time of Indiana Jones 3, which I didn’t like as much as 2 (most fans consider 2 inferior), but I loved the scene of Indy having to choose the True Grail from a shelf of false Grails. It was the one that looked like an ordinary wooden cup, such as a 1st century carpenter might have owned. There’s wisdom in that, I think. Anyway, I remember there being four Grail knights–Percival, Lancelot, Galahad, and Bors, the foreign knight. Any idea what Bors was doing in there?

    Agni Yoga prefers the “stone from heaven” reading, for obvious reasons.

  31. On lapsit exillas:
    How fascinating that it clearly refers to the fall of Sophia. Why do scholars have such a difficult time making this connection? I typed the phrase into google translate and got the phrase “he slipped into exile.” Indeed, we are all spiritual beings in exile. I notice a lot of weird scholarship around Gnosticism, some modern scholars are claiming that Gnosticism as a movement did not exist, and some are now claiming that the Cathars did not actually exist but were the product of mass hysteria. What’s the deal?

    On the divide between the sacred and the secular:
    The division was partly a survival mechanism from early scientists. They needed to carve out a space where they could be safely allowed to work without being in danger of crossing the Church, so they divided the world into the ‘material’ and the ‘spiritual’. Then they ceded authority to the church on the spiritual and claimed authority on the material. Of course, once science gained a stronger foothold, that truce was ended and now we have materialists insisting that the spiritual and mental realms are either not real or are totally reducible to matter. Also we now have scientists paralleling the overeager clergy by claiming authority on things that they don’t have expertise in. I hope one day our culture will be able to heal and recognize the spirit in matter and the matter in spirit.

  32. Very enlightening JMG! Because I studied French and was familiar with Chretien de Troyes, I thought I knew something about this subject….Turns out I didn’t really…Thank you for some great scholarship!

  33. Hi JMG,

    As soon as I saw the Grail mentioned I had an idea of where the post might be going. The discussion of Gnosticism and specifically The Sophia reminded me; I live in the Tokyo area and tolerably often go on long walks about the town. Imagine my surprise then when I came across a University bearing the name Sophia University. And imagine my doubletake when I learned it was a Jesuit University.

    I’ve read rumors that at high levels in the Catholic hierarchy there is a willingness to engage with Gnostic ideas beyond stake-burnings. Of course most of those claims came from Protestants who I figured were engaging in the long established Christian ‘fun’ of “No, you’re the heretic!”.

    But finding that school made me wonder if the Pontiff isn’t keeping things away from the unwashed after all.

    Cheers,
    JZ

  34. Did you know that there are quite a few absurd little doodles in illustrated medieval manuscripts which have rabbits killing knights?

    Thank you for the information on the wider Arthurian legends… all I’ve ever come across is very modern re-writings by modern authors who use the legends as a matrix on which to project their own ideal social fantasies, and versions based on Mallory’s “Mort d’Arthur”.

    Now, I have a reference to go looking up the real stories.

  35. Sometimes, in the 70s, I think, a book hit the market and turned flaming hot. It’s premise was that “the grail” was a shortened and disguised version of the original word, “sangrail” — which meant “blood”.

    It’s been a while, so I’ve lost all but the gist, that the grail was actually the blood — the bloodline — of Jesus. His descendants! Basically, a line of royals anointed by the Divine. Rather changes essence of the grail stories, or maybe amplifies them.

    I recall that the authors traced the bloodline to a family (wealthy) in France. They included a photo of the latest child … who looked to me like Damien of The Omen movie fame. (!)

    Religious folks really didn’t like the book. For all I know, it could have been bogus history. But the idea that the old stories were really about hunting the “cup” that held what Jesus called “His blood”, is a tantalizing concept.

  36. I saw “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” at the theater. I hated the ending and mostly forgot about it. Decades later I got a job working at One Eyed Jaques a store that sold card games, table top role playing games, board games, and the occasional jigsaw puzzle. At least several times every week someone would quote from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

    One of the books I’m reading happens to be “The Mother of the Lord” by Margaret Barker. She makes the point that Wisdom from the book of proverbs is cast out of the temple by the Deuteronomist reformers under king Josiah.

    Years ago I read the “Story of Roland” from the public library. If I recall correctly Roland was also raised in the woods by a single mother just like Parsifal.

  37. Jake, good. Fortune was among other things a close student of Jung’s writings.

    Luke, women around the same age are just as vulnerable to Mary Sues, so you may be on to something.

    Aldarion, Wolfram claimed in the poem that he was illiterate, so you may be right about his lack of Latin knowledge. I’ll be looking into “ex illas.”

    Roldy, if you believe in predestination — and many Christians then and now do — no, God doesn’t want them in heaven. He predestined them to fry in hell for all eternity for his own greater glory.

    Prizm, we’ll get to that!

    Dobbs, it’s a story with a lot of wisdom to it — pun not intended.

    Chris, oh, direct contact with deities can be a good idea:

    Just don’t grovel!

    Mary, neither of those has any relevance to Wagner; you can certainly bring up the grail for the next fifth Wednesday, though.

    Rita, there are several different grail questions — the stories vary, there as in so many other contexts.

    Guillem, thanks for this.

    Enjoyer, the evasion of Gnosticism is really quite weird. I’m not sure what’s behind it.

    Pyrrhus, you’re welcome. It’s a very rich field of study!

    Justin, doubtless because it’s tax season.

    John, hmm! Maybe so.

    Renaissance, okay, so the vorpal bunny of Caer Bannog goes back further than I thought.

    Elk River, the title is Holy Blood, Holy Grail and it was impressively bogus. That “Sangreal” might have been “sang real,” “royal blood,” is an intriguing notion nonetheless.

    Moonwolf8, I grew up in a circle of teen geeks who all adored the movie and could quote entire scenes from memory. Still, I understand not liking the ending.

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