The end of The Twilight of the Gods, dramatically satisfying as it is, leaves the core questions raised by the tetralogy hanging in midair. The grand hope that motivated Wagner and his fellow radicals when he first sketched out the Nibelung myth as a scheme for a drama—the hope that a mighty upsurge of revolutionary passion from the working classes would sweep away the commodification of human life and all the other injustices of a hopelessly flawed society, while still leaving radical intellectuals comfortably perched in their positions of privilege—had gone up in flames in the real world as well as the operatic one.
A triad of unwelcome realizations had doomed that dream, at least for Wagner. He had realized, first of all, that any such revolutionary upsurge would shatter the social contract that guaranteed his own class its cozy place in society: that’s the meaning, or one of the meanings, of the shattering of Wotan’s spear in the third act of Siegfried. Next, he had realized that as soon as the revolutionaries he so admuired got within reach of genuine power, they would cash in their ideals for privilige, influence, and wealth: that’s the meaning, or one of the meanings, of Siegfried’s betrayal of Brunnhilde in the first act of The Twilight of the Gods. Finally, he had realized that the pursuit of liberty unchecked by any other value or virtue would quite literally destroy society altogether, and render liberty itself meaningless: that’s the meaning, or one of the meanings, of Brunnhilde’s self-immolation at the end of the whole cycle.
A lesser thinker might have left matters there. Wagner being Wagner, he couldn’t let it rest. He couldn’t do as some of his fellow radicals from the 1840s did: that is, pretend that nothing was wrong with the old dream, and set out to prove the old adage about insanity being what you call doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results. Nor could he do as George Bernard Shaw and some other radicals did: that is, sell out to the ruling classes and surround himself with a cloud of rhetoric the way squids fill the water with ink, in an attempt to hide his betrayal from himself and everyone else. Wagner’s vices were on the same grandiose scale as the rest of him; in his private life, he was a hypocrite, a bully, and a cheat; but when it came to the life of the mind, and especially when it came to his art, he quite often overcame himself and followed where inspiration led, no matter what the cost might be.
Where it led him this time, as he began work on his last opera, was the tangle of ancient myth and medieval legend around that enigmatic talisman, the Holy Grail.
To follow him there, we can start by taking a closer look at the Ring itself and the vast landscape of comparative mythology that Wagner compressed into that little golden circle. In the middle decades of the nineteenth century, as Wagner wrestled with his four great operas, the science of comparative mythology was in its heroic age, the period when pioneering scholars—many of them German—first began tracing the mutations of myth across time and cultural barriers. Wagner himself eagerly read the latest scholarly publications on mythology and incorporated ideas from them into his work. Some of the most important of the insights he borrowed revolved around that plain golden ring, the legendary treasure of the Rhine from which it was made, and the vivid mythic imagery of springtime sun banishing winter’s cold that was, in Wagner’s view, the origin of the whole theme.
Here it’s unnecessary to speculate, or even to go digging in Wagner’s voluminous letters. Just before his world came crashing down in the failed revolutions of 1848-1849, Wagner published a very strange essay titled Die Wibelungen: Weltgeschichte aus der Saga (The Wibelungs: World History in Saga). Much of it is dedicated to decidedly odd theories about history and myth, in which he tried to connect the saga of the Nibelungs with the medieval political struggles between the Guelphs, the supporters of the Papacy, and the Ghibellines, the supporters of the Holy Roman Emperors. In German, these two parties are Welfen and Wibelingen, so it almost works.
Central to the whole essay, however, is an archaic Indo-European myth I mentioned in a much earlier post in this sequence. In Wagner’s time, comparative mythologists had already noticed the deep structural similarities in a series of hero myths from cultures that spoke Indo-European languages. From these, they traced the outline of an ancient seasonal myth in which the springtime sun as a young strong hero slew the dragon of winter’s cold and took from him a rich treasure that represented the golden harvest of the season to come. That seasonal myth went through a cascade of changes over the centuries, as myths do, and took many forms. As Rome fell, one form of the myth blended with folktales about a hoard of gold that embodied kingly power—Wagner suggests plausibly enough that this was the treasury and official insignia of a Roman army seized by conquering barbarians—to give rise to the legend of the Nibelung hoard that plays so central a role in the Nibelungenlied and the Volsunga saga.
The Nibelung’s hoard thus became, for the German-speaking peoples of central Europe, the manifestation of a pattern nearly universal in the world’s mythologies. Call it the Treasure Hard to Attain, if you like; in terms Carl Jung made famous half a century after Wagner’s time, it’s an archetype of considerable power. Such a treasure is never just a heap of movable wealth. It always glitters, somewhere deep down, with the ambience of magic and power it borrowed from the springtime sun and the golden grain of harvest time. That’s why gold, among the most useless of metals in practical terms, is still the focus of such wild and desperate passions. It’s why monarchs across the western world were crowned and ornamented with gold and not with any other metal, even when other metals were more valuable. It’s why we speak of golden ages and golden years.
Yet any such treasure always carries with it a sense of impending doom. That’s the flipside of the myth we’re discussing: when Siegfried appears, you know that the dark rival with the spear is always near at hand, ready to send the golden sun plunging back down into winter’s cold and darkness. Yes, it’s usually a spear. It was, in many of the old accounts, Mordred’s spear-thrust that laid King Arthur low, just as it was Gronw’s spear that felled Llew Llaw Gyffes in the Mabinogion. The bright twin with the sword and the dark twin with the spear, the spirits of the waxing and waning year, go back a long, long ways. May I risk tiptoeing into controversial territory here? Echoes of the same old myth pervade the core narratives of Christianity.
John the Baptist, born at midsummer, has picked up some of the symbolic ambience of the spirit of the waning year, which is why he dies by the sword in the autumn in an underground dungeon and his head goes on a platter. Jesus, born at midwinter, correspondingly carries some of the ambience of the spirit of the waxing year, which is why he is pierced by a spear while suspended above the earth in the spring, and a cup or chalice plays such an essential role in the rituals commemorating him as well as the legends that clustered around him. The two don’t kill each other in an endlessly repeating cycle, as their mythic equivalents do in other stories, but the emblems of the old year-twins are still present and accounted for.
The sword, the disc, the spear, and the cup that play so vivid a role in Christian narrative will be familiar to some; those who know their way around symbolism will recognize those, just as they won’t be surprised that the town where Jesus was traditionally born, Bethlehem, literally means “house of bread.” When the god born in the house of bread says “this is my body,” again, the mythologically literate will recognize the theme. It’s very explicit in some places: “I must decrease,” says John the Baptist, “and he must increase.”
Yet the idea that the winner of the golden treasure is doomed is by no means just a myth, even though it generally involves something less symbolically rich on the death certificate. On the most prosaic level, we’ve all seen stories about people who won the lottery and promptly crashed and burned thereafter. Pirate treasure, once a compelling theme of story and rumor here on North America’s Atlantic coasts—not least because there actually was a whale of a lot of treasure stashed here by pirates during the era of the Spanish Main—gets half its allure from the bloody deeds that so often accompanied it. Hoards of Roman coins in Britain turn up tolerably often near the ruins of burnt-out Roman villas whose proprietors thought that storing wealth would keep them safe. Au contraire, bring gold into any situation, and sooner or later you can count on buckets of blood.
Beowulf, the first great work of English literature, weaves the same theme into its story line. When Beowulf dies fighting the dragon in the last part of that epic, and his people discover that the dragon’s cave contains a mighty hoard of gold, mourn the discovery as much as the death, because they know that once word gets out, raiders from far and wide will beat a path to their country to get the gold. That’s exactly what happens, too, and the end of the mighty kingdom of the Geats follows promptly thereafter. That same factor drove the fall of the Nibelung kingdom in the medieval stories Wagner used as raw material: there, it was the lure of the dragon’s golden treasure that gave Kriemhild/Gutrune the leverage she needed to turn Attila the Hun against her kinsfolk and bring about the final doom of the Nibelungs.
(And if you think, dear reader, that all of this is old mythology and ancient history with no relevance to our current situation, think again. As a writer whose work explores the ongoing decline and impending fall of Western industrial civilization, I routinely hear from people who are enthusiastically stashing precious metals and other forms of storable wealth under the delusion that this will somehow keep them safe during hard times. In today’s information economy, it’s nearly impossible to buy anything of value without leaving some form of paper trail, and in due time there will be plenty of people who make a profession of following those trails. I’ve said this many times, but of course very few people are listening—and so the old tragedies will repeat themselves in due time with literally epic inevitability.)
All this is straightforward enough. It’s one of the odd features of our civilization, though, that it so often tries to pry loose the two sides of every mythic equation from each other: that it so consistently tries to imagine summer without winter, good without evil, kingdoms that rise and never fall. Tolerably often this involves a splitting of the mythological image, with all the good elements assigned to one fragment and all the bad elements to the other; it’s the same image beneath it all, though I don’t recommend mentioning that to people who are emotionally invested in the division between the two.
The split between sacred and secular comes out of this process. Outside the imaginations of atheists, who insist on reversing the value judgments, good is assigned to the sacred and evil to the secular. Since it’s a weird but consistent habit in Western thinking to see the good as ineffectual and only the bad as competent, we end up with our odd modern vision of the sacred as the virtuous embrace of failure and defeat in the face of triumphant and efficient secular evil. You can trace this easily enough in a great many phenomena of our collective culture. Wagner traced it, too, but he didn’t choose one of the easier targets. Typically for him, he choose a line of fission that goes straight to the core of the issues he set out to explore in the Ring cycle.
Consider, for a moment, the phenomenon of money. What is it? In terms of straight economics, it’s a system of tokens we use to manage the exchange and distribution of goods and services. It’s not the only effective way to do this, not by a long shot, but it’s the one that has become central to our modern industrial economies. If you’re like most people, you exchange your labor for a certain amount of money per week or month; the government takes a slice of that in taxes, the medical industry and various other privileged groups take another slice, and your employer may steal some of it—wage theft is extremely common in today’s America—but most of the time you end up with at least a large minority of the theoretical total. You then exchange this for the goods and services you need and want, or as many of them as you can afford.
It’s not an inherently evil system. In today’s America it’s been gimmicked six ways from Sunday to minimize the benefits you get from it and maximize the benefits that go to giant corporations and government bureaucracies, but that’s the nature of life in a corrupt and decadent society. Rigged though the system is, it’s still possible to use that system of tokens to your own advantage. The great obstacle to doing so, and the one that very few people ever get past, is the way that money, this arbitrary system of tokens, has retained the emotional charge of the sun-treasure of the old myths. That emotional charge rooted in ancient mythis is why we cling to money the way Gollum in Tolkien’s Ring trilogy clung to the One Ring, and shriek “Precious!” as it sends us plunging down into the flames.
Take, for example, Elon Musk or any of the other absurdly wealthy godzillionaires who strut and caper across our national stage these days. There’s quite literally no possible way they can use the amount of money they have. No matter how gaudy your dreams may be, outside of one very distinctive class of things, they can be bought for much less if they can be bought at all. The exception? Preposterous acts of conspicuous consumption meant to display yourself as a Very Rich Person. Behind that, in turn, is the phantom of Siegfried the Sun-Hero. To be a Very Rich Person is to be, or rather to pretend to be, something more than human, a figure glowing with the supposed light of the springtime sun. It’s also to have that same surreptitiously borrowed gleam in the eyes of the clueless; humans being the social primates that they are, this is generally an even more important incentive.
We can leave aside for now the question of just how closely Siegfried’s doom dogs the footsteps of our current crop of ersatz Sun-Heroes. I’ll simply mention that it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Musk does die on Mars, though if he does, the dark twin with the spear who lays him low will almost certainly be named “radiation poisoning.” (Mars has no magnetic field, and so it’s constantly bathed in streams of hard radiation from the vast unshielded thermonuclear reactor at the center of our solar system.) The point I want to make here is that the same principle isn’t restricted to the giddily oxygen-deprived heights where Musk and his near-peers caper about. It applies all the way down the social ladder.
Surveys have found that most people, no matter how much or how little money they make, are convinced that they would be happy if only they made twice as much money as they do. Partly this is a function of provisional living, a neurotic habit painfully familiar to old-fashioned psychotherapists. You may know someone who likes to claim that they’ll solve all their problems and get on with life just as soon as they quit their job, lose some weight, divorce their spouse, get that promotion, marry the person of their dreams, or what have you. For that matter, you may be someone who likes to claim something like this.
In either case, you know perfectly well that it’s all an excuse. The job you won’t quit, the weight you won’t let yourself lose, the spouse you’ll never actually get around to divorcing, the promotion or the partner that stays forever out of reach: those are all excuses you use to avoid taking the risks and making the changes that can’t be avoided if you want to solve your problems and get on with life. That’s provisional living: one of the main ways we keep ourselves from becoming what we could be. Making twice as much income as you do is another addition to that same roster. For most people, it’s sufficiently far out of reach that it has the added convenience that you’ll never actually have to put up or shut up. So it serves its purpose of justifying failure.
Yet there’s more to that belief than the convenience of having a nice unattainable excuse as the basis for your provisional living. Most people, unless they’re really absurdly rich, know people who make twice as much money as they do, and have every reason to realize that those people aren’t blissfully happy. Why, then, does the notion persist? Why do people fixate so intently on those arbitrary tokens we call money, and neglect all the other ways to achieve happiness and success in life? Why, for that matter, does our entire society rotate gyroscopically around that convoluted system of exchanging arbitrary tokens?
Wagner’s suggestion is as simple as it is profound. He proposes that the golden sun-treasure of archaic myth was split in half, like so many other mythic images: one half sacred, the other half secular. Money is the secular half of the mythic image. To borrow another turn of phrase from Carl Jung, we project the archetype of the sun-treasure, the hoard of the Nibelungs, onto the system of arbitrary tokens we call “money.” That’s why money, for most people, isn’t just a convenient medium of exchange, a tool of the will that can be picked up and put to work when it’s useful and set aside when it’s not. It’s ablaze with power and magic. It carries the full weight of the mythic image of kingship, of the Sun-Hero casting down winter’s gloom. Thus it obsesses us, it dominates us, and as often as not it ends up thrusting a spear in our backs.
And the other half of the old archaic image? To follow Wagner there, we have to turn to one of the most enigmatic emblems of the Western world, the image of the Holy Grail. We’ll explore that two weeks from now.
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Meanwhile, I have a new book to announce! As my regular readers know, I do Latin translations the way some people do crosswords — it’s a pleasant and relaxing pastime — and this particular pastime has resulted in a new translation of John Dee’s first published book, Propaedeumata Aphoristica (in English, that’s roughly Preliminary Instructions Briefly Stated). John Dee, for those who don’t know him, was Queen Elizabeth I’s court astrologer and wizard, the co-creator of Enochian magic, and also a first-rate astrological magician. Propaedeumata Aphoristica had an earlier, rather poor English translation by a scholar who didn’t know enough about astrology or magic to catch the technical terms Dee used; I decided that it was high time to do a more useful translation.
So here it is — Aphorisms on Astrology and Magic by John Dee, translated and with a detailed commentary by yours truly. It’s being published by Azoth Press, the same firm that did my translation of Giordano Bruno’s On the Shadows of the Ideas and the two-volume set of The Dolmen Arch. As with these earlier volumes, there’ll be a nicely bound hardback edition and an oh my God over-the-top deluxe edition; both will be released on May 31, 2025. If you’re interested in preordering — and given Dee’s popularity, this one may just sell out before it sees print — you can order the standard version here and the deluxe version here.
I’m greatly enjoying this series of blog entries on Wagner’s operas. Is there any chance of them serving as the basis for a book in the future?
Congratulations on the Dee translation. I gather Dee’s Latin was not the language of Cicero. How much had written Latin changed during the millennium and a half?
‘The sword, the disc, the spear, and the cup’ … Might we also call them ‘the sword, the pentacle, the wand, and the cup’?
Where your treasure is, there also shall your heart be, indeed—either among the things of the World, or the things of Heaven.
Axé
JMG,
To bring this discussion around to what happening now, I been thinking how more recent Marxist thinkers have levered the whole structure of social revolution off of its base of class structure, and onto issues of race and alternate sexuality (not that people of other races and sexualities are ultimately going to benefit from any of these ideas). I consider this to have been a desperation move, since the “other side” has been so successfully attracting the working classes left behind against the current professional/managerial class, which is where the radicals now reside. I’m sure the radicals also “grok” the unwelcomed realizations you’ve discussed about the working class.
Because it was a desperation move, the whole structure of radical activism seems even move shaky and unstable then it was in Wagner’s time, where it was pretty unstable to begin with – hence the Ring cycle. I finish by saying we’ll see where this goes in our time, and I look forward to your last installments on the Ring cycle regarding the Grail and its opera to see what final thoughts Wagner had on these issues.
I love it when current events come together with discussions on Wagnerian opera. Musk , a sun god, is going to go to Mars to meet his Chothian twin and perish. Okay, I took a great deal of liberty with this essay to come up with that sentence, but I found this week’s entry soothing to my troubled soul. I can live through mythic times as long as I know what point of the myth I’m currently living through.
Now I am really looking forward to the next installment. Thank John
James, I’m going to make the attempt, though finding a publisher may be entertaining.
Mary, it’s complicated. Latin changed quite a bit during the Middle Ages, but during the Renaissance there was a sustained attempt to copy Cicero and other fine Latin prose stylists, so some of the changes were undone (or tweaked further in an attempt to undo them). The sort of periodic structure standard in classical Latin prose survived only in the most ornate and mannered Renaissance prose; practical works like Dee’s had a sentence structure much more influenced by the local language, and of course the vocabulary mutated quite a bit.
Robert K., why, yes, we could indeed use those labels.
Fra’ Lupo, and either way you risk falling into a trap, as Steiner liked to point out.
John, the United States in particular is a miserably difficult place to be a Marxist, because none of the proposed candidates for Oppressed Class Chafing To Overthrow Capitalism will behave according to Marxist theory. Working class people, women, black people, other ethnic groups, gay men and lesbians — all they want is to be treated decently and, if they’re poor, to have access to plenty of jobs at decent pay. I suspect the reason the corporate left finally settled on transgender people as the oppressed class du jour is that they ran out of other options.
Elizabeth, Musk is really begging for a Wagnerian ending. I don’t wish the man any harm, but I’m pretty sure that he’s going to become one more example of the hard fact that hubris is the past tense of nemesis.
Raymond, glad to hear it.
“…this involves a splitting of the mythological image, with all the good elements assigned to one fragment and all the bad elements to the other…” This reminds me of the episode “The Enemy Within” from the original Star Trek, with Kirk split into good but weak and evil but capable incarnations. It clearly posited that the whole human being needs both the light and the dark within.
Thanks JMG! Book ordered, and anxious to get it…John Dee was an important historical figure with significant influence over Queen Elizabeth I, and IMO also influenced her spymaster Sir Francis Walsingham…..
OT: but relevant to the Great Sell-Out _ David Kaiser. whose opinions I have respected for years, and ignored my hard-line-Democrat friend dismissing him as “a Republican,” has drunk the Kool-Aid, and his latest post on Trump et. al ended in those telling words, “Our Democracy.” I won’t be relaying his blog posts to you any more, alas. And another one falls off the center onto the opposite side of the fence.”Sic transit intellegentsiae.”
P..S. – There’s not room in any building for both Musk and his ego.
@JMG,
Even though I’m someone who’s interested in Wagner primarily from the music side, I still find myself looking forward to these essays. Granted, I think that Wagner, for all his gifts as a composer, suffered from a huge ego that led to him thinking his plots made more sense (both in terms of internal coherence and allegorical meaning) than they actually did. But still, I admire the man’s ambitions.
As for this week’s topics: While I look forward to hearing your thoughts about the Holy Grail (the “sacred” side of the split sun-disk), I am nowhere near convinced that the “secular” half of the Sun Myth is responsible for the way that so many people in the West idolize money, and keep believing that having more of it will make their problems go away. After all, don’t you see that same attitude in every culture that has used money? For instance the history of China (which had a very different set of myths than medieval Europe) is full of the same mixture of exuberant greed, and moral teachings counseling people against exuberant greed, often with the same arguments you used in this essay. And you can find the same attitude all over the biblical Book of Proverbs, which is itself rooted in a tradition of near-Eastern wisdom literature that goes back another two thousand years… and so on, mutatis mutandis, for every culture that has used money!
Thank you for this, and yes, I am intrigued by your connecting the story of the Ring, and also, in passing, the story of the Cross, in the cycle of the year and its seasons.
In this ancient indoeuropean cycle, each season is vanquished by the next – the summer is vanquished by winter, and winter by summer. Notably, the TCM five phase theory adds a nuance – and here I am considering the version of five phase theory mapping four of the phases upon the four seasons, with the fifth phase acting as the pivot in the centre which keeps the wheel turning. Here it is not so much the coming season which vanquishes the current, but receding one. Instead each current season contains the seed of, and nurtures and gives birth to, the coming season.
This theory can be applied therapeutically as follows – let’s say someone is “stuck” in a summer they believe cannot end (but is suffering from a lack of a winter in which to, say, rest and replenish resources – a common pattern found in some forms of insomnia, for example), you can incorporate an intention like “help summer give birth to autumn” into your treatment strategy .
I shall now go and have a think about what the consequences of using the IE mythic intention – “help autumn wield a spear to vanquish summer”, and what that might do.
Something interesting to think upon. 🙂
When pondering about how to handle the decline of our civilization, I realized pretty quickly that even if saving up a dragon hoard of gold was a good idea, I wouldn’t ever have the money to pull it off anyway! Instead I realized I needed to gain the skills I never learned as a kid- gardening, plumbing, woodworking, mechanics, etc. So far I’ve gone from a terrible gardener to a mediocre one!
Money definitely seems to have a magical allure on people that far outweighs its material value. It reminds me of the ‘high score’ in video games- we’ve got a bunch of billionaires whose whole being is consumed with making the number next to their name go up just a little bit.
Excited to learn about the Holy Grail, John.
Hi John Michael,
Congratulations on the new book. You may miss social cues, but you’ve clearly got a gift for languages.
I’m pretty sure that months ago I mentioned that Mr Wagner was cursed – and here you’ve gotten to the crux of the matter. It must have troubled his intellect deeply too, but I’m impressed with his chosen path out of the maze. You know, I see that option being used nowadays too, and we’ve spoken of this matter before, say with folks complaining bitterly about global warming. Incidentally, the reaction from the charity mugger from greenpiece (!) all those years ago, rocked my world. He truly loathed me that I’d countered him with a disinterested, yet potent dispell – you could hear it in his words.
And yeah, that’s been my observation as well. It’s a potent symbol isn’t it? To me it’s all a tool to be used, and no more, although just like everyone else, that world has to be walked in, and there’s no getting around that. The Big J had it spot on when he quipped: “Render unto Caesar”, or something along those lines. It’s a trap, but the wonderful thing about the trap is that the people weaving the spell, have fallen for their own magic, and so the trap will eventually disappear – that is baked into the cake, sorry to say. Then civilisation can get on with something more useful.
Cheers
Chris
@JMG, re Elon Musk.
I’ve noticed that most people have a difficult time thinking rationally about outer space.
Just consider the “satellite” button that you see in map apps like Google. If you guessed that clicking it gives you a map made of pictures taken from satellites, you’d be wrong. Only the remotest places, like Siberia or the open oceans, have actual satellite maps. All of the maps of cities and other places with high-quality images come from… airplanes. Because a camera mounted a mile or two up on an airplane is obviously going to give you much higher quality images than that same camera on a satellite, hundreds of miles away from what you’re photographing.
But Google still calls it a “satellite” map because of the associations it triggers in people’s brains. Satellite! –> Outer Space! –> Technological Progress! –> High Resolution Maps!
I also remember, a few months ago, having a long conversation with a (fairly intelligent) young man who thought that, in a few decades, all of our mining was going to be done by robots on the Moon. I wasn’t convinced – partly because I have a brother who’s a mine engineer and I knew that, even if Elon Musk succeeds in making it cheap to move stuff between the Earth and the Moon, it would still be a logistical nightmare to operate mining equipment there.
To begin with, there’s no liquid water, and modern mining equipment has to consume huge quantities of water in order to process ore – to the point that mining industries in desert countries like Australia and Namibia put huge strains on their water resources. (And Namibia is very, very lush when compared to the Moon!) And then there is the problem of keeping the equipment cool – people like me who have studied engineering and physics know that keeping machinery cool in a vacuum, without fluids like water or even air to carry away excess heat, is actually a huge challenge (hence the reason that spacesuits are white, and how much time the Apollo astronauts could walk around on the Moon was limited by their running out of coolant, not oxygen). So even if you got an all-electric, no-water-needed mining machine to run on the Moon, you’d have to run it at a glacially slow pace to avoid overheating. But after that you’d still have to deal with the problem of moon dust, which is extremely abrassive (due to the spikiness of the dust particles in an environment with no erosion to smooth them)… and so on and so on.
The man I was talking with nodded along to all this and seemed fully aware that there would be huge technical challenges involved in mining stuff on the Moon. But he was convinced that the problems were bound to be overcome, because of the huge amounts of money to be made by whoever figured out how to do it. Which to me was just proof of how deeply the mythology of progress had gotten into him… it’s one thing to say that it makes sense to do hard things when there’s money to be made; it’s another to say (correctly!) that mining the Moon would be extremely difficult and expensive, and then just assume, without much further thought, that it must ipso facto be a great way to get rich!
With all of that said, I would still be extremely surprised if Elon Musk died of radiation poisoning in outer space. While the guy obviously has very different ideas from you (and your commentariat) about mankind’s long term future, he is still a highly skilled inventor (as evidenced by his vertical rocket landings) and not the sort of person who would run straight into a brick wall with his own life on the line. The fact is, nobody really knows how much cosmic radiation an astronaut can absorb and stay alive. Leaving the Earth’s magnetosphere won’t give you accute radiation poisoning (as the Apollo astronauts proved) except maybe if you get hit by one of those once-in-a-year-or-two solar storms (though they had a plan for this – point the Service Module with its heavy propellent tanks at the Sun in order to minimize the amount of particles hitting their bodies). People who spend years in space will probably have a higher lifetime cancer risk than the rest of us, but nobody knows how much higher, and I think it’s very unlikely that Elon Musk is going to travel to Mars himself without sending other guinea pigs (figurative or literal) ahead of him to find out what the limits are.
So my expectations for the end game of Musk’s space colonization ambitions are either (1) he slowly loses interest in the whole thing, what with Tesla, Twitter/X, and DOGE providing more than enough shiny objects to occupy his attention well into old age, or else (2) he figures out that people can survive on Mars, maybe not for a whole lifetime but for the two or years or so needed for a “first voyage of exploration.” So he goes there with a dozen or so scientists and engineers, and then (without trying to build a self-sustaining colony) he plants flags, collects a bunch of rocks, and maybe even drill a deep well a few miles down to where there might still be warm water, in order to see if there are any microbes in it. Then he declares victory and goes home. (He might still die in a rocket crash though, or an air leak – there are more ways than radiation that space can kill you.)
The problem with a self-sustaining colony is, IMO, mostly economic. Keeping just a dozen or so people alive in space is so resource intensive and technologically complicated that it requires tens or hundreds of thousands of laborers toiling away here on Earth. Thus, space exploration will happen when there are lots of people on Earth who are willing to devote their resources to it (as was the case during the Apollo Program) and otherwise it will not happen.
In Revelation (21:15) there’s a vision of an angel with a measuring rod of gold revealing the dimensions of the New Holy City of Jerusalem. Since gold would be an unnecessarily heavy as well as insufficiently rigid material for such an instrument, when I first read it I wondered why. But amid the ancient monarchies of the Holy Land whence the narrative emerged, a golden measuring rod would be very useful indeed. When settling disputes about property lines and such, the King’s Royal Surveyor doesn’t care who’s right, only that the dispute gets settled, um, indisputably, to keep the peace. The advantage the golden measuring rod has over other more convenient and more accurate measuring rods is that no one else has one. (This revelation, so to speak, taught me a great deal about our present credential-ridden society. “You don’t like how we teach your kids reading? Where’s your doctorate in education?)
Similarly, it often seems as though the main value the billionaires perceive in their unusably vast wealth is that you and I (and everyone else) don’t have it. Dragons on their hoards, indeed. You may disagree, but you don’t have a billion dollars, do you?”
I do like the connection with sun-hero symbolism. I think it conveys the same idea in different terms. You can’t look at the sun, or associate with it. Consider Icarus and Phaethon.
Roldy, and notice how that episode bought into the assumption that good = weak. That’s really pervasive in our time, and depends on a very odd definition of goodness.
Pyrrhus, he was indeed — he invented the idea of a British Empire and devoted much of his energy to encouraging the idea of British colonization of the New World, so there’s a very real sense that he’s an important reason I’m writing this blog in English.
Patricia M, I’ve come to think of “our democracy” as a very telling phrase. It means, of course, their democracy — the one that belongs to the elite classes and their lapdogs in the media — as distinct from, say, the republic that belongs to the rest of us. As for Musk, granted — he’s one of the few figures of our times whose ego can give Wagner’s a run for its money.
Sandwiches, oh, I’m far from sure that Wagner was right. I simply want to make sure that his ideas get a fair hearing. One thing to consider, however, is that the sun-treasure and related ideas are also common worldwide; it might be interesting to trace the mythic imagery around money in other cultures, and see whether it leads back to a similar split.
Scotlyn, it’s very Indo-European to see the transition from season to season as one season conquering another — the old Indo-Europeans were a warrior culture that conquered much of the world, after all. The Chinese approach seems more sensible to me, but that’s my bias.
Enjoyer, delighted to hear it. A mediocre gardener can survive.
Chris, “cursed” doesn’t seem overstated to me; Wagner really was an object lesson, first, in how geniune geniuses can also be absolute jerks, and second, how being an absolute jerk is a great way to mess yourself over. As for money, it’s one of the great examples of a basic magical principle: the difference what happens when you control your desires and what happens when your desires control you. I suspect that in some form it’ll be around a long time, because it’s so effective a learning experience for souls.
Thrown Sandwiches, thanks for this. You’re certainly right that all you have to do is say the words “space travel!” or certain related words, and people lose their minds and plunge into a fantasy world where mere practicalities supposedly don’t matter. As for Musk’s fate, keep in mind the difference in distance between the Moon and Mars. The Apollo astronauts left Earth’s magnetosphere for a few days. A trip to Mars at the same speed takes months. Since the effects of radiation poisoning are cumulative and dose-dependent, I’m far from sure you’re right…
Walt, I like that — the golden measuring rod as credential! My father, who was a teacher, used to say, “Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach; and those who can’t teach, get doctorates in education.” He had an MA, back when that wasn’t required for classroom teachers, and considered it mostly a waste of time and money.
Hi John Michael,
Man the times are getting interesting. Good to see that the US is backing out of the mess in Europe, I doubt that the Europeans have the resources to continue that adventure in the east, then they’ll have to live within their means.
Hey, did you see this little escalation. There’s a lot going on in the Pacific Ocean right now: Three Chinese warships sailing east of Sydney being monitored, ADF says.
Plus there have been a lot of recent incidents…
Cheers
Chris
Perhaps the duality of the archaic myth is one of the reasons the U.S. finds itself in conflict with the islamic countries of the Middle East so frequently. For the U.S. everything is done for money or power ( which is just a route to the same thing). So ultimately we go to war, sanction etc in the larger pursuit of money. While most of the islamic countries ( save a couple) pursue actions for religion, national identity or self preservation.
We of course can’t understand that, and the duality makes us angry and vengeful as nations. One among many of the reasons peace in the Middle East is hard to come by.
C.S. Lewis & Tolkien had a different view of evil, that effective villians have to make use of virtues (like intelligence, charisma, courage, faith) to succeed. Someone with no virtues would be little more dangerous to us than a crazed beast.
As the supposed Tolkien quote that the haters of Amazon’s Ring of Power series goes, “Evil cannot create anything new. It can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.”
I suspect that a Mars voyage would face technical difficulties before the crew manages to land and takes their first steps on the surface, and the failure to even reach Mars will dissuade future attempts.
I’m sure that America’s geopolitical rivals would gloat about the debacle, which is anothervreason not to go through with the project.
@ Thrown Sandwich “With all of that said, I would still be extremely surprised if Elon Musk died of radiation poisoning in outer space.” “The fact is, nobody really knows how much cosmic radiation an astronaut can absorb and stay alive. Leaving the Earth’s magnetosphere won’t give you accute radiation poisoning (as the Apollo astronauts proved) except maybe if you get hit by one of those once-in-a-year-or-two solar storms”
I have abbreviated your text for brevity. A fun little fact, all except for one of the astronauts that left the magnetosphere ended up with big vision problems and that trip was very quick compared with anything else we will ever do. The quiet part that NASA doesn’t talk about is that they are very confident on just how dangerous space travel is. For all the talk of Starship, it is estimated that the amount of water needed to provide an adequate shield is far heavier than any weigh payload they can manage. Any metals that can be used have been found to amplify the damage as they essentially shotgun the energy into a spreading cone of particles towards the craft occupants.
I pointed this out a while back, that while it is intuitive, the sun isn’t the biggest problem with radiation. Cosmic background radiation (from outside the solar system) is a far bigger issue. While we cannot see the vast majority of the stars due to the inverse law of radiation, if that wasn’t the case the entire sky would be a consuming blinding light. Once a high power particle escapes the local system of the star, the is almost nothing to stop its journey towards us. So despite how imposing and essential it is, the sun only takes up about 1:500,000th of the sky, the other other estimated 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars more than make up the remaining sky and highly charged particles that come our way. It sounds bizarre at first but it is very logical once you realize it.
As for Elon’s smarts, I see him more like Steve Jobs. Knows how to get people excited about things and can definitely get people moving in a designated direction but any time he talks technical details, it is clear he is mostly clueless. There are many folks from Tesla, SpaceX and Twitter than are happier when he is off doing other things – they can actually get things done. When Elon was away the engineer pulled the circus trick of self landing rockets. To stretch the analogy, Steve Jobs was the same, could provide a vision but would talk nonsense to the engineers, when he was gone they got to work in realizing the vision with out the technical nonsense.
Today alone via DOGE, he was talking about Social Security fraud and it is clear he had no idea how date systems in COBOL work. Not surprised, very few people do nowadays – there is a reason we call them the gray beards that hold it all together. Not saying they haven’t found fraud but his claims were a little too shoot from the hip in terms of misreading the data. However, it just comes with the position, if you want to know about a companies products, the CEO is the last person you talk to.
He want’s to be everything but isn’t willing to admit his limits, he spreads himself too thin. It is a shame because he has a talent that so few posses but he risks biting off far too much to handle. As with everyone, I hope it works out well for himself and those around him, but it could become self destructive when it didn’t need to be. Time will tell.
Patrick, nah, I think a one-way trip to Mars is viable – the relatively well-grounded science fiction novels by Stephen Baxter about a round-trip to Mars and a one-way trip to Titan using 2000s era space tech are fairly convincing. Yes, the astronauts in both cases would have received a seriously unhealthy dose of radiation, as well as the myriad of other harms caused by prolonged zero-g, but sending a human to Mars and getting them back alive (although much worse for wear vs. leaving them on Earth) is completely possible, as long as the extraordinary resources needed to do it can be marshalled. “Making life multiplanetary” is what is impossible, unless you radically redefine life – which is why Baxter’s novel Titan is my favorite bit of science fiction.
We may very well get to see Musk lead a fleet of Starships to Mars in an attempt to create a glorious breakaway civilization and see them gradually fail as machinery and consumables brought from Earth are used up. I don’t wish the guy any harm, but I think it is plausible that that is how his story ends.
My favorite part about the Mars expedition fantasies is the return part. People assume that since we got to the moon, and the astronauts were able to return to Earth we can do the same if we go to Mars. But we were just barely able to return from the Moon by taking off with just a chunk of the landing craft. Also Mars is much further away so much more fuel will be used on the trip for life support etc., plus with gravity 3 times the moon it will take much much more fuel to land and take off.
The hardcore believers ignore this, or actually believe that in the near future we will have the technology to make fuel on the surface of mars to enable our return. Of course if we could do that with the huge constraints on a ” fuel creation mechanism” that could fit in a space ship, we would be doing it routinely here on earth.
It would certainly ruin the romance of the trip to Mars if the reality is that whoever makes the trip will never return, and probably die quickly from radiation.
Much has been lost in our understanding. Discussing the arrival of feudalism, the historian Friedrich Heer writes in his book The Medieval World: “Men at their prayer no longer raised their arms and turned towards Christ, their rising sun”. Of late, people shut their eyes and retreat indoors and wonder why they so often miss the answer to their prayers.
“While most of the islamic countries ( save a couple) pursue actions for religion, national identity or self preservation.”
The 1930s and ’40s gave a bad reputation to national identities. Then of course there was a counter swing too far the other way. Now we are supposed to be a collection of peaceably cooperating enclaves. That has worked so well in the Balkans.
More money is better is one of the few things the country as a whole agrees with. It’s not enough and there will be a cultural shakeup in the near future. Which way it will go I don’t know. You would think there is adequate room between “every sperm is precious” and “death to all babies to save Gaia ” to find a compromise, but the yelling is still going on.
JMG, I just finished Vico’s masterpiece, and wow, boy, howdy, is there a whale of a lot of stuff to process in there. I’m hoping it will help me read these pieces better. Wagner as ecbatic, warning prophet, maybe? Have to wait and see …I want to thank you for promoting the interest in Vico. He is deceptively sophisticated. I imagine moderns and ancients would hate him, so he has been worth the read
As always, quite interesting, something I realized is that this description of the use of money today reminds me a lot that we live in the age of the antichrist.
Let me explain, if I remember correctly Simon Sheridan’s blog (https://simonsheridan.me/covid-19/the-coronapocalypse-part-37-finale/) published a graph where he showed that we lived in the age of the antichrist, there is a lot to talk about this era and the different manifestations of the antichrist, one of these manifestations are the different forms of secular faith that exist (Marxism, science, etc.), a very long discussion, will JMG one day write about the antichrist and this era?
What I want to emphasize is that it surprises me that the myth of the golden sun-treasure would be used by the antichrist to channel himself (I come from anthroposophy and people used this myth, prostituted it and fell into consciousness), to bring misery and misfortune.
I knew that the influence of the antichrist in our societies was very strong, but what this publication says about money makes everything fit much more. If Simon Sheridan’s scheme is correct, from my point of view it is correct.
Will Musk be able to get his trip to Mars before America runs out of oil or the US dollar stops being the reserve currency of the world, with Musk’s investments / economic worth wiped out in the ensuring great depression?
To all those who keep insisting that, yes, we can go to Mars and live, etc….. the novel and movie “The Martian” sums up their view of this quite nicely. The tour guides on the Kennedy Space Center bus talked about it as if it were real. The same guides claimed that humanity has always, from Day One, longed to go shooting off into infinity. It’s a powerful meme right now. That “The Martian” piled impossibility upon impossibility – well, so did all those stories in Astounding Science Fiction. The triumph of the human spirit and a lot of know-how…. folks, that’s not just Kool-Aid. It’s a very powerful hallucinogenic. As JMG said in another book, “it’s like telling a medieval peasant that God and the saints and the angels did not exist.” Or a Roman, that the Empire was on its last legs. Or telling your toddler that “There is no Santa Claus. It’s like the Easter Bunny and the Devil. It’s only your dad.” [Dennis the Menace to his little friend Joey.] It breaks my heart, too, but so it is.
Brilliant post JMG!
Interesting tidbit about the Germans and threading an underlying syncretism to all myths… the character Casaubon in the novel Middlemarch spent his life working on the same theory but since he didn’t speak German, could never complete his book.
Congratulations on your beautiful new book!
Yogaandthetarot Jill C
@24 Justin
I do think a one-way trip to Mars is viable (and hopefully the return trip), but I think that the risk of something going wrong is higher in a multi-month voyage than in a three day trip. And if it does fail, no one will be willing to waste the resources on more manned Mars missions.
I’ve read some Stephen Baxter, but not Titan
Chris, it’s really amusing, in a bleak sort of way, to watch the little countries of Europe try to throw their inadequate weight around; if the US does back away from them — and I’ve been hoping for this for years — it’ll be even more entertaining to see how they handle it. I hope Australia is prepared for the same sort of withdrawal of support; the US is an empire in rapid decline, and one way or another your country is going to have to manage on its own, or find new allies — or become Aojou Nambien a little sooner than Cordwainer Smith anticipated.
Clay, that seems quite plausible.
Patrick, exactly. Evil is weakness. Even a crazed beast has some virtues — courage and fortitude come to mind. A being that was wholly evil would be wholly powerless and incapable.
Clay, I’ve noticed that next to nobody realizes just how far away Mars is. They think “the Moon, Mars, what’s the difference?” The Moon is 239,000 miles away from the Earth. Depending on where they are in their orbits, Mars is between 35,800,000 and 249,100,000 miles from the Earth — notice those extra zeroes. To get from Earth to Mars, you also have to go “uphill” against the Sun’s gravity, and you have to take into account the orbital speeds of the planet you’re leaving and the one you’re trying to get to. That’s why the only practical route to Mars, the Hohmann ellipse, requires around 8.5 months in space to get there and the same amount of time to get back. It’s a vastly more demanding project — but most people won’t think it through.
David, an excellent point. The Christianity we have today is a fragment — a heavily edited, bowdlerized, and rationalized fragment — of a much stranger and more complex faith.
Celadon, I’m delighted to hear this! Yeah, Vico deserves repeated readings and a lot of reflection. I’m far from sure I’ve gotten more than a small fraction yet of what he has to offer.
Zarcayce, interesting. No, I wasn’t planning on doing a post about the antichrist, but I’ll consider it one of these days.
Anonymous, good question!
Patricia M, oh, granted. I tried to address that in a blog post a long time ago, but very few people were listening.
Jill, thank you. I need to read Middlemarch one of these days!
I have loved Parsifal ever since hearing William Steinberg ( a greatly underrated conductor) as an undergrad conductit at the Met and overdosing on the Solti recording which my roomies gave me as a college graduation present (it’s not the best recording out there — not by a long shot — but Solti seems to have been the only conductor who follows Wagner’s instructions precisely in the treatment of the choral sections in the Grail scenes.) Like many (including you, I gather) I regard it as Wagner’s culminating work and perhaps the most profound artwork in any genre of the last two centuries. I’ve thought and read about it a lot (I think I’ve heard all the recordings and have attended at least ten performances). But it had never occurred to me that it could function as an allegory of some sort for the corruption that gold (and what gold stands for) visits on people. With the Ring cycle, sure. With Parsifal? Now that you point it out, well yes, I can see it. Thank you.
I had always figured that sexual disorder and the links thereto with social breakdown formed the underlying theme.. I had assumed that the Grail symbolized the ultimate life-giving force in our universe, the female sexual organs, while the spear is, well , kind of obviously phallic. Amfortas’s wound is sexual in nature. Klingsor has castrated himself and acquires dark powers by so doing. (I suppose it’s only a matter of time before trans activists try to “canceL” Parsifal performances as trans-phobic — maybe they are. ) Kundry is arguably Wagner’s greatest single creation as a character (if I’m not mistaken, Thomas Mann made this point in his magisterial lecture “Sufferrings and Greatness of Richard Wagner” after which he had to leave Germany its content being so offensive to the Nazis.) If there is any opera anywhere that contains a more powerful seduction scene than Kundry’s in the 2nd act, I haven’t heard it. She uses every weapon in the psychic armory — and she herself is in the thrall of a kind of mixture of religious and erotic hysteria (has any opera or any other work for that matter every probed so deeply the links between the two?) What does one make of the character of Titurel and the hold this half-dead father figure has over the Knights of the Grail? And Parsifal himself, an innocent youth straight out of a homoerotic wet dream “rejuvenating” an aging and decadent male fellowship. Whew! Has there ever been anything like it — and cloaked (inseparable indeed) from what has clear claim to be the greatest music ever written (note its effects on every important composer in the generation after Wagner — Debussy, Mahler, R. Strauss, Puccini, Schoenberg, Berg who were all awestruck — only Stravinsky resisted the lure.) And now you’ve illuminated one more layer of meaning. Can’t wait for what you have to say in two weeks!
I have a suspicion — of course I could be wrong! — that anyone who has unearned wealth has merely agreed to pay for it in future lifetimes. That’s why I will never, ever play the lottery and why I would much rather drive a 20 year old car and cook my own meals than be in a position where I could easily pay full price for a luxury townhouse directly from my bank accounts, no mortgage needed.
That said, I am finding it hard to dislike Elon Musk at the moment because he has found many trillions of dollars in government fraud that will now be stopped short of the washing machine. These trillions may have a tiny chance of returning in the taxpayers’ general direction… this would not have happened under the cackling Quid Pro Hoe. For those who asked “Who hired Elon Musk?” I answer “I did, and he’s the best employee I have ever had.” Honestly, I think if anything could ameliorate the karma of unearned wealth, it would be going after those who were stealing it and auditing them with weaponized autists and AI as DOGE is doing. I hope he stays on this planet and keeps auditing for as long as it takes.
Do you think unearned wealth has to be earned back?
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Heres a new twist on hiding gold for hard times. Recently it was reported by the new head of the EPA that the previous leaders of the EPA under Biden stashed $20 Billion in an outside financial institution just before the inauguration so Trump couldn’t get to it ( or so they thought). The part that was not widely reported is that $20 billion was stashed in the form of gold in a vault so it would not show up ( or so they thought) on any financial statements.
We combine that info with the latest revelations that earlier in the year $2 Billion was sent from the EPA to some kind of green environmental justice NGO run by democratic operative Stacy Abrahms. This was a group that up till that time had $100 in the bank.
I would guess that the Dem elite knew the gig was up as the election neared and they realized that they and all their friends would be out of work. So they stashed gold ( and other funds) like preppers waiting for the Trump Apocalypse. This secret ( or so they thought) war chest would keep them in the style they deserved as well as funding their guerrilla battle against Trump and Maga in the years ahead.
But I think the arriving Barbarians have figured out where the deposed royalty have stashed the gold and are on the way to get it and dispense some justice.
@Chris and JMG RE: Australia’s future. I think we will just take the easy way out, China and India. As for those war ships well… this one clip from the TV comedy series Utopia summaries our entire defense and economic situation in less than 2 minutes. It is worrying how accurate it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgspkxfkS4k
For JMG, it is a meeting about military spending and why they want a $400 billion budget expansion.
“The prime minister will have one simple question, who is this to protect us from?”. After being cagey the military finally admit it is to protect Australia from China. “So our number one trade partner. So we are spending all this money to protect our fleets supplying China from China?”
Mr. Greer,
I commend you on your latest post, which not only continues your fascinating discussion of Wagner’s works in particular and the Germanic myths in general, but is also chock full of great related concepts—including some that have been on my own mind independently for some time now.
First, I love “godzillionaires.” I had not seen that term before. If that’s your own coinage, congratulations.
Second, I appreciate your comment on the inherent worthlessness of gold, “among the most useless of metals in practical terms.” That metal’s hold on the human imagination, how it relates to the shininess of the yellow sun above us, and that infatuation’s consequences in human relations are continuing areas of interest to me. Your critique strikes me as spot on—except perhaps you left out how fortunate are those who are naturally blonde—those who have “gold” growing out of their heads…but that is, perhaps, another story.
As for the Christian interpretation and appropriation of the pagan symbolism, your comments instantly reminded me of memories from art history class and the mosaics in early Roman Christian churches that frequently depict Jesus in the role of Sol Invictus, the unconquerable sun. Yes, the ancients definitely were conscious of the syncretism you describe here.
Finally, since you have confessed to being a Latin scholar, I hope you can provide some guidance. I’ve long held the belief that the scientific name for our species, “Homo sapiens” (“wise man”) is a gigantic error. Or worse, a deliberate lie. In fact, I wish to propose in an essay I’m preparing that the taxonomic name for humans be changed to the Latin for “lying man”—what my best use of internet-fu tells me should be translated as “Homo mendax.” Could you please verify that that is the proper translation, and if not could you offer a better example of the nomenclature? I want to be as accurate as possible in my writings. Best to consult an expert, if possible.
Thank you for your time and attention, and for continuing to produce such stimulating writings.
I was actually wondering if you were going to bring up the four suits of Tarot, as earlier during the articles on Siegfried I thought there might have been an archetypal connection between Siegfried as the Knave of Swords and Wotan as King of Wands, with Mime and Alberich probably duking it out somewhere in the Pentacle suit.
Hello, Archdruid, and the community!
I have been thinking about money lately, and i have noticed a peculiarity of modern times. When calculating the wealth of a nation and its people, we often calculating a kind of fictive wealth, using currency that cannot be accounted for in real, redistributable value.
Let me give you an example using Microsoft and Amazon, two massive American corporations. Microsoft has what we folk technology call a Mindshare. This means that they have set up a self-reinforcing cycle that assures them of a solid supplier and a solid customer base.
Here’s how it works: customers, choosing which kind of computer to purchase, will usually pick one that has Windows in it. This is because all the good software they make these days are available on Windows. Sometimes software is available on a Mac, and very rarely it is ported into Linux. But most modern software is made for Windows, and so Windows is what they intend to buy. This is, of course, especially true of games. Almost all PC games run on Windows.
But why do software vendors make their software for Windows? Well, the answer is simple – because that’s what all the customers are buying! And so, by a simple loop, Microsoft can assure itself of a market for Windows. Their suppliers, the software developers whose work gives their OS value by making software that run on it, will make software for Windows because that’s what all the customers use. Their customers, the software users, will purchase Windows because they anticipate all the software to be there. This is the Mindshare loop.
Now, how does a company establish a Mindshare loop for itself? The easiest method is to sell at a loss for a time, until your brand becomes popular enough to wipe the competition from the market. This is what Jeff Bezos of Amazon did. He sold books with a free return and refund policy for almost a decade in the 90’s, and many customers brutally exploited his business – they purchased books, finished the books, and then returned the books for a refund. But this technique allowed Amazon to get noticed and expand rapidly in the market.
Authors knew they could assuredly reach many readers if their books were on Amazon. So authors of a wide variety of books sold on Amazon. And readers, consequently, could find a wide variety of books on Amazon, so that’s where they would go for books. When Amazon finally retracted the refund policy, the Mindshare was already established.
Now consider the share holders who bought Amazon shares during this time, and the equity partners who put money into Amazon. Most of this money went into covering the protracted losses of the company while it was building its “market capture”. So when these equity partners value Amazon’s book-selling vertical, do they consider their money to have gone up in flames? After all, Amazon controls no tangible asset that this money was used to buy. Yet, the valuation of Amazon does consider its worth as though that money was put to good use. Why? Because Mindshare (politely refered to as “market capture” in MBA jargon), however intangible it might be, has a concrete value to the equity partners.
There are countless such examples of ethereally abstract things being valued through pure speculation. Aside from the obvious examples – Non-Fungible Tokens, Crypto-currencies, Intellectual Property Rights, and the like – there are also things like Mindshare that are given value.
So how much of the wealth of multi-billion dollar corporations can be translated into cold, hard cash? If a group of socialists decide to “eat the rich”, as their fetish is often articulated, how much meat would they actually even bite? If they were, for instance, to raid a real estate tycoon’s treasury and make off with a sheaf of title deeds that specify the tycoon by name would they even have robbed a penny?
Today, real estate ownership is purely on paper. This lexico-fictive property is usually exchanged for promissory notes, which are transferable promises to pay money at a later date. This promissory note is then used in lieu of money, and freely exchanged further down the line. Likewise, NFT’s are exchanged for cryptocoins. Intellectual Properties are exchanged for equities in companies, whose main asset is “market capture”. And all these things are values in billions, and these exchanges are economic exchanges that economists then take into account when determining the wealth of nations.
So what fraction of a country’s GDP is real money, and how much of it is as ethereal as the Nibelung’s Gold?
Hi John Michael,
Reading the news, the country is re-arming. Under the AUKUS arrangements I believe that the navy is intending to replace the Collins class diesel electric submarines with the Virginia class nuclear subs – a one off arrangement for any country, so what does that tell you about the future. And recently the European made Taipan helicopters were dumped (literally) and replaced with the Blackhawks that the military wanted in the first place. Compared to the land of stuff though, the locally military is certainly not as large, but traditionally Australia maintains close relationships with more muscular countries. It’s not lost on me that India and Japan are both also being courted.
Oh! Did you notice that a steel works down under appears to have been err, nationalised? There’s a lot going on, and change is definitely occurring, fast. Prime Minister says $2.4 billion package for Whyalla steelworks is an ‘investment in the nation’. Shame they didn’t have the gumption or foresight to keep the vehicle manufacturing going all those years ago.
It’s funny to see long held policies getting turned on their heads. The state government announced it would reduce the public service by 5%. Probably not enough.
Cheers
Chris
Re transgender people as the last desperate hope of the Marxists of a group willing to overthrow bourgeois capitalist society – have you been followong the story of the Zizian cult? A small group of vegan rationalists, quite a few of them trans, centred around a charismatic leader known by the nom de guerre Ziz. The cult is suspected of at least six murders…
https://nypost.com/2025/01/30/us-news/killing-of-border-patrol-agent-appears-linked-to-zizian-radical-leftist-trans-cult/
Considering the pushback against Musk by the media and the federal workers, is that a part of the mythic cycle? Also, this sounds like the medieval concept of ‘fortune’s wheel.’ Where fortune turns the wheel, and people’s lives change. I guess it is the religion of progress meets Fortuna and her Wheel.
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A side note: As someone who worked in the Federal Gov. for decades, I am glad it is getting a clean out. There are a lot of fiefdoms and empire building. There are four agencies that supervise banking, and they don’t like each other. Also, the whole structure is cracking like a structure put together by spit and duck tape. I suppose when Wagner wrote his operas, he was noting similar things in Europe.
The elucidations about Indo-European mythology regarding the seasons are interesting. Since the Mabinogion were mentioned, I would like to add that the part of the Fourth Branch where Llew Llaw Gyffes is speared, makes on me rather the impression of an initiation rite; the aspect of the slaying of a season is not obvious to a reader who doesn’t know the background of the Indo-European summer-winter myth, because it occurs in the Fourth Branch in fragmented form together with much else. The First Branch of the Mabinogion contains the story of Pwyll, Prince of Dyfed, and Arawn, which exchange their roles. This is easily visible as, among other things, as parable for the changing of the seasons. But the motive of slaying the summer season appears in the battle between Pwyll, disguised as Arawn, and Hafgan, which latter contains the Welsh word for “summer” (“haf”), with advece given by Arawn. Due to Hafgans name, here the season-slaying mtive is more clear, but it becomes also clear that the diverse mythic narratives and motifs of different age are quite muddled together in the Mabinogion and make it multilayered and complex.
When it comes to money, my take is that it is indeed useful not only to have enough money, nut also to have reserves, but for me, after all, money is a tool to achive other things, which are more important to me than amassing money for its own sake. It is when accumulation of money surpasses a certain amount that it becomes a matter of diminishing returns for quality of life.
Very early in your Eliphas Levi series you wrote the following:
The ternary, the key to so much of Lévi’s magic, is an essential part of this. Replace with ternaries the binaries that play so overwhelming a part in conventional thinking all through Western cultures—right or left, good or bad, this or that, and never any third factor—and you don’t merely distance yourself from the conventional wisdom of our time and Lévi’s; you place yourself in what Lévi calls a magic chain, a sequence of individuals linked together across space and time by shared states of consciousness. The triangles that play such an important role in the symbolism of magical ceremonies are meant to symbolize the ternary pattern, representing to the imagination what ternary logic represents to the intellect.
Christianity, like all other religions, has become obsessed with The Holy Binary. As humans, we can’t really help it. Our minds just naturally want to perceive everything as a dichotomy. Our minds work that way, but our brains don’t.
>The problem with a self-sustaining colony is, IMO, mostly economic
Bingo. That’s why if I had to go somewhere, I’d bypass Mars and go for all that ore in the Belt. I have no idea if shipping ore back to earth would be economically viable or not but I can almost guarantee you it would have a better chance than anything on Mars. Mars is a romantic notion but it’s not very practical. I think ultimately Mars will be like Nevada – bunch of desert with a few small towns and one big city and that’s it. And everybody will have to live underground if they don’t want to get deep fried with radiation. Cue the intro music to Silo, as opposed to The Expanse.
It could be he’s using the romance of Mars as the bait and plans on switching it for the asteroid belt when the hammer drops? I’m not sure with him. You should never be sure with him, that’s the problem. He often says one thing and does another.
>It’s a vastly more demanding project — but most people won’t think it through.
Oh that’s just the start of it. Mars has this nasty property of having just enough of an atmosphere to need you to deal with re-entry effects but not enough of it to help you slow down. The amount of engineering thrown at that particular problem is vast – and they still don’t get it right all the time – the number of vehicles lost during re-entry is high. They are slowly getting better at it. Or were before the DEI cancer kicked in.
And you do all of that to get access to – what, exactly? What valuable substance is on Mars that would pay for the cost of the trip? It’s one thing to justify going there based on science but if you’re in the business of colonizing the place, it won’t last long if it can’t pay its own way.
>More money is better is one of the few things the country as a whole agrees with
Zimbabwe agreed with that. Really really agreed with that. Are bigger numbers better numbers? Is infinity the best most awesome number in existence? I suppose this could get philosophical but then the distracting issue of why all the stores are shut down appears out of nowhere.
I guess there is a difference between zero and infinitesimal but it’s not much of a difference in practice, especially if you’re doing all your math with a slide rule and two decimal points.
JMG, comforting to hear that, on multiple levels, although I wish you more wisdom than I manage to delve. The question isn’t a small one, as it seems one could put it to Wagner as well: does Vico believe or know the ancient res gestae, in such a penetrating way, that he in some measure transcends them, or is he doomed to only handle them with barbaric reflection, despite appreciating their worth as guides? I suppose that putting anything to the question, particularly the deeds of the gods, ends by putting the questioner to counter question. However, I hold out hope that there is a creative third way of bringing opposites together even in this dangerous occupation, although only occult science has even the possibility of such. In short, can one be one a court historian to the gods, themselves? I do recall that king Xerxes or Darius used to have the history books read to them, when they were afflicted with insomnia…if as on earth, so in the skies, perhaps a historian, like a jester, stands in the courts before the king. It’s either carry it further, or back to the drawing boards, as Vico might want to say….
JMG and commentariat – is the spear-and-sword, dark twin/light twin a purely Indo-European thing? Does the pattern show up in any native cultures in the Americas?
Tag, thanks for this. Sexual disorder is certainly a core theme in Parsifal, and it’s something that Wagner brought to the story — in the medieval legends he used, Perceval/Parzival was married when he achieved the Grail quest, and Klingsor was a very minor figure. There are many different levels of meaning in Parsifal, and the symbolism of the Ring cycle carried over into this last of his operas is only part of what’s going on; there’s the sexual dimension, and there’s the very rich contribution that Wagner drew from Schopenhauer, most of whose philosophy finds its way into the opera in one way or another. The handful of posts I’ll be devoting to Parsifal will be able to cover only a small portion of what could be said about it.
Kimberly, that seems very likely to me. The lottery in particular carries a serious curse — have you noticed how often people who play the lottery seriously, to the extent of fantasizing about winning, stop growing and learning and doing much of anything else? It’s as though it puts their life on hold. I think of it as the extreme form of provisional living. I think it’s possible in some cases that unearned wealth in one life has been earned in a previous life, but even then it’s a real challenge — you have to be prepared to handle it well, and of course most people don’t.
Quin, thanks for this as always.
Clay, yep. It’ll be interesting to see how all this plays out; I suspect that Trump is waiting until all his nominees get through Congress before the knives really come out. Criminal prosecutions of bureaucrats and Congresscritters for misappropriation of funds, and a serious investigation into vote fraud — those will be where the rubber really meets the road. A lot of previously golden figures may find out the hard way that Hagen is waiting for them with the spear…
Michael, funny. It’ll be interesting to watch how that plays out, too.
Stephen, I don’t think “godzillionaires” is my coinage, but I’m not at all sure where I got it. Blonde hair — well, yes, that’s another point; the mythic symbolism of hydrogen peroxide probably needs to be addressed one of these days, too. 😉 As for Homo mendax, yes, that’s grammatically correct. I’m amused to note that in the Middle Ages, sapiens was the standard term for “wizard” — note that “wizard” literally means “habitually wise person,” as “drunkard” means “habitually drunk person” — so homo sapiens in a medieval text would mean roughly, “that guy, the wizard.”
Ben, did you know that there’s a Ring Cycle tarot, using the Arthur Rackham illustrations? It’s quite good.
Rajarshi, excellent. The gap between real wealth and money — that is, between actual goods and services and the torrent of tokens that more or less represents them — is something I discussed at length in my book The Wealth of Nature. There’s increasingly little actual value behind all those numbers, and that’s getting worse, as the economy of actual goods and services contracts while the economy of tokens continues to inflate.
Chris, an India-Australia-Japan alliance is probably your country’s best bet, though it also means that an invasion of Australia is China’s best move if it comes to all-out war. Those policy changes sound very sensible, but you’re right that it’s much too little.
Ozquoll, yes, I’ve watched it with some bemusement. America is the promised land of oddball religious cults, but a rationalist vegan transgender cult is odd even for us.
Neptunesdolphins, I get the impression that Musk is the current vehicle for the archetype of the Changer, and it’s part of the Changer myth in every Native American myth cycle known to me that the Changer encounters one obstacle after another on his way up the river to its source. Nobody wants him to change the world, so the People can come live in it! As for the Federal government, you and me both — and about 200 million other Americans, too. It’s quite something to see the imperial aristocracy forced to justify its existence and trim its budget for a change.
Booklover, that’s an important point — most of the mythologies we now have are garbled that way, since the inner meaning was lost centuries ago and storytellers who didn’t know the point of it all have been at work. As for money, sure — it can be a useful tool as long as you treat it as a tool. Like so many other things, it’s a good servant but a bad master.
Allen, all the more reason to make a consistent effort to establish ternary thinking as a habit, to keep from getting trapped in unproductive binaries. Just as you can learn to recognize and ignore manipulative advertising, say, you can learn to recognize and overcome internal glitches like the habit of binary thinking.
Other Owen, we don’t yet know if mining the asteroid belt really is economically viable — here again, gosh-wow science fiction stories are not a good guide to economics. What’s more, if life on Mars is difficult due to radiation, how is life in the asteroid belt going to be any easier, since there you don’t even have a planetary mass to shelter you from radiation!
Celadon, from my perspective, the historian is part of the historical process. Even if he as an individual can sometimes transcend the cycle, his actions are bound to it:
Notice that Darius didn’t use his historians to guide him in his actions, just to produce a gentle droning noise to help him drift off to sleep.
Patricia M, the twofold pattern is also found in Native American myth. There’s a grand tale from the Puget Sound country, the story of Northwind and Stormwind, in which Northwind is very much a Hagen character and Stormwind, the Siegfried character, is the mighty springtime wind from the southwest that sweeps the winter away. The two of them fight forever over who gets to rule the land. I suspect there’s quite a bit of the same thing in the Aztec legends of Quetzalcoatl and Huitzilopochtli, though I don’t read Spanish or Nahuatl and so can’t be sure.
On the use of transgender people by Marxist, topic started by JMG’s reponse (#8) to John of the Red Hood’s comment (#5), but already mentioned by several others (hat-tip to y’all).
I have come to believe that the most perfect form of the Savior Game requires a supply of Victims that cannot, under any circumstance, save themselves. Trans people do not match this category, but used to be the next best thing because there were (or there used to be) too few of them for most people to ever witness one trans person rolling their sleeves and doing the impossible thing their would be Saviors claim they cannot do unaided. This also limits their value as protected class, because too few people would ever notice one trans person suffering at all. Awareness campaigns would not move the needle enough in the right direction (pun intended), so psychological contagion among the underage population was *allowed to happen* (I don’t think anyone planed for it, but once it showed up, I suspect positive efforts where enacted against the healthcare professionals that tried to stop it).
But then, the Left has the problem that there are too many transgender people, many of whom would not sit quietly like a useless Fairy-tale Princess in wait of their Prince Savior; if anything because all these young people grew up with the Shrek movie franchise an many will recognize themselves in that situation. So a more pliable class of Victim will be produced in short order. I predict Animal Rights are going to be the next big thing, since our furry friends cannot follow societal norms without human intervention, or speak at all.
And in case you remember my ideological biases, I will fully recognize the Right also plays the Savior Game with gusto. Our own class of Perfect Victims is: Unborn Babies. That’s why I’d very much like to see the Abortion debate reframed into a Mothers’ rights vs Medical Industry’s rights; instead of the now prevalent Women’s rights vs Thoughtless lumps of flesh’s rights.
@JMG (responding to Clay)
“That’s why the only practical route to Mars, the Hohmann ellipse, requires around 8.5 months in space to get there and the same amount of time to get back.”
Haha, two years ago a colleague asked me to teach a high school physics class. The topic was “Flight to Mars” I asked him; how cynical he wanted it? He said; it was my choice.
So I did exactly that; Opened with a brief history of mars exploration. Drew a simple Sun-Earth-Mars orbit system. Had the kids do a quick calculation of radio transmission lag. And to think about why there is a difference if Mars and Earth are on the other sides of the Sun.
Then I asked where Earth and Mars have to be for the shortest trip? And showed them the direct route is not the optimal. Que Hohmann ellipse. I did not do the math, just showed them some simulations. We did however calculate the transit time. Then… there is a kicker… It is not just the transit time. “There and back again” no, you usually need to wait about 6 months for an opportune window to enter the return ellipse comes by.
We came up to a journey of about 2 years.
Then I did a quick intro into solar radiation and radiation safety levels.
And then had them calculate the amount of absorbed radiation during that time. (upwards of 2 Sv) And we looked up the effects on the human body. (high chance of radiation poisoning (death); and 60% chance of cancer in next 5 years if you survive)
“Elon Musk is inviting us on his trip to Mars. Who wants to go?”
(a class of highschoolers shaking their heads)
Chris @ 43 It has long been my decidedly non-expert opinion that American hegemony would be succeeded in the Pacific by a coalition of Australia, Japan and Canada with India as close friend and ally.
Ozquoll @ 44, I note that according to the NY Post article the dead member of the vegan duo was an HB-1 migrant from Germany. One of the “good” migrants who do get to stay. We can’t have those boring working class basics thinking that their kids might qualify for tech jobs. OK, the article said might have been or something of the sort, which I take to mean that is what he was only it might not be polite to say so.
>how is life in the asteroid belt going to be any easier, since there you don’t even have a planetary mass to shelter you from radiation
Once you’ve scooped out all the ore, you have a hollowed out rock. As long as you don’t hollow it out too thin, that should be good for radiation shielding. Two birds with one stone, sell off the ore, create a living space. Granted someone or something has to get crispy while that happens. If you hollowed out Ceres, that’s quite a bit of living space in there. Not sure Ceres has anything worth digging out though. But I bet you some of the smaller asteroids, do. Again, not sure the numbers would make sense, but I bet you could attract investor capital anyway. If you can get them to pay for littering city streets with scooters, you could get them to pay for this too. Sometimes you just have to throw the spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks.
In any case, living out in space would be pretty harsh on the human body, if it ain’t wasting away due to zero-g, the cumulative radiation exposure would get you. Would it be any harsher than what prospectors went through in the 19th c though? And lots of guys signed up for that.
Twins, or sometimes brothers, one of whom kills the other are not uncommon in legend and myth. Cain and Abel, for example, and Romulus and Remus. In Navajo legend there are the Hero Twins, about whom I don’t know enough than merely to name them.
Greek myth makes one of the pair female, guardian of wild nature, while her brother becomes patron of all kinds of civilized arts; they coexist because their different realms don’t intersect. Also, I seem to recall a strong taboo against killing one’s own sibling, child or parent. They do cooperate against any who insult their mother.
JMG, ha! I’ll go w that, and much thanks. I suspect I also agree somewhat w Berdyaev and the Russians, however: there are moments when you wake up and see, and sometimes, the collective even stirs in this way. To use king Darius as the example, once a blue moon, they read him something that makes a difference, and it wakens him to action. I don’t know what to call this…perhaps it’s some prime polarity or binary, but it’s when you hit rock bottom, that you finally have the chance to see up the vertical. Not that you can plan on getting either place. You can only cultivate the odds. I also like the definition you gave about the eternal game on the eternal sea shore. As you can tell I’m wrestling w the christian synthesis, which is not altogether without meaning for me, but I recognize that Vico and others are on to something, that the historical process is bigger by far than ideas or words about it, and that maybe even the Logos has rules for the game saint Augustine barely scratched. And maybe after all it is a ludi, and not some horrible secular and then eternal nightmare, if I can remember myself and work. History as the great game?? It only happens uniquely once, but there are rules that crop up. Thanks for your inspiration. May your awen increase! Imagine how far someone can go if they aren’t a jerk like Wagner?! And it will still only scratch the paint…
Thrown Sandwiches–The only remotely feasible way for humans to live on Mars would be underground, protected from the radiation, in the polar regions where there is still considerable water in the form of ice…It’s impossible to guess how many humans could live there, but I would guess not very many….
JMG, I wonder if you might want to do some future essays exploring your four tokens of myth. Or perhaps refer us to a book on the subject. The spear is perhaps the oldest of the four, being depicted on prehistoric wall paintings in France and other places. The cup would be next oldest, appearing once stone working, weaving and pottery had been invented. It also is a cauldron in some traditions. I think cups or cauldrons come from neolithic times and signify the bounty of the earth after the Neolithic Revolution; it is usually a feminine attribute. Swords are much more recent, being impossible to make without the melting of ores, a process which has itself long been seen as a magical enterprise. You may enjoy your Beowulf and Grendel, I am partial to the figure of Weyland Smith. Disc? That is new to me. What is the symbolic significance of a disc? Sun disc? I have always supposed halos, as seen in Renaissance paintings, to be a way of depicting the radiance of virtue, as would be the mandala which surrounds the seated Buddha.
@ JMG # 53
Thanks for the heads-up on The Wealth of Nature. It sounds like the kind of read I have been looking for for a while now.
I am quite annoyed by the emergence of the new digital spintria that are touted as alternatives to cash, such as crypto-currencies and promissory notes. I work with technology, but I have made it a point to avoid working with crypto-currencies at all, as a matter of personal ethos. Its one more layer of obfuscation in an already murky domain.
The thing about these – excuse the expression – hypertokens, which form an additional abstraction of value on top of money (which is already a token), is that they are a way to print a massive amount of token money without producing inflation. Whereas having too many currency tokens could cause the price of items to fall, hypertokens cannot be exchanged in most transactions, and are usually unusable for ordinary people (you cannot buy groceries with them). Instead, they are spintria for super-rich people to do super-rich-people things. They are mortgaged, exchanged, and cashed in using other, creepy means.
@JMG
Am I right in thinking that the PMC favors transgenders because they largely created the transgender/nonbinary community out of gender dysphoric people, fetishists, and confused children?
The other “oppressed” groups (blacks, gays, lesbians, the working class,various immigrant groups, etc.) already existed before the left-liberal elite took an interest in them, and so couldn’t be co-opted. But trans people are a product of wokeism, and the community would fall apart without the PMC propping it up. So the folks who join iy can be programmed with the left’s faux-revolutionary ideology.
John,
As you said in this post, modern society likes to split various things into dualisms. We have the mind/matter dualism, the society/nature dualism, the secular/religious dualism, etc.
To me it seems that the splitting comes from a yearning for transcendence. Spiritual transcendence can be defined as a final completion. It is the ultimate achievement. Nirvana, Henosis, heaven, etc. It is where reunion with the absolute is achieved and the cycle of birth, death, and suffering reaches its end. Once spiritual transcendence is tossed out the window, you are left in a material world which is full of cycles that never end. When people search for transcendence in this material world, they have to break the cycles apart to create a material equivalent of the spiritual transcendence. This is where we get the progress and apocalypse mythology, both take the secular cycle of civilizations and split it in half into parts which would ostensibly be a final completion.
I even see so much of this online with communities who are all searching for some kind of material transcendence. You see it in the singularity hypebros, the preppers, and people obsessed with longevity and halting aging. It gets even worse when the material improvements start to obviously fail and people grasp for something, anything that can give them transcendence.
Just spitballing here.
Thank you. I appreciate your response.
Perhaps it is this strata of of myth you have explored here that is what gives our more recent stories of lost treasure their large appeal. From Robinson Crusoe to countless others… though I’ve enjoyed the treasure of reading more. The library path, certainly hasn’t given me the fancier lifestyles others enjoy. But its a limit I accept.
The Chalice of Ecstasy by Frater Achad was my intro to the Parzival legend. I always liked his writing better than Crowley’s! I should look at it again.
Halfway through re-reading Hillman and Ventura “We’ve had one Hundred years of Psychotherapy and the World is Getting Worse”. 26 years after I first read it, strong and timely as before.
Going from myths taking up the ‘progression’ of celestial bodies, which must inevitable have its waning phase just as the seasons have them, to ‘progress’, the tale of the post-mythical, shadow-free solarium achieving an ever-waxing Enlightenment.
I’m glad I have the seasons to work with, and as part of.
Abandoning them may be what came to be called original sin.
As for the pitfalls of hoarding shiny objects without being a magpie:
I was reminded of something I think Nate Hagens relayed: Someone was summoned to what he thought was a talk before an audience, only to find himself in a room with a small group of very rich men, who wanted him to come up with a solution to their most pressing problem:
How to control their private armies in case of public order breaking down.
They came up with things like electric collars etc. and were completely unwilling to listen to his suggestion: Find a place to live, become a treasured (my pun; sorry) member of the community.
Hey JMG and Chris
I was going to mention this in the open post, but since you have brought up China I may as well mention this early.
I have recently been reading a book concerning the current conflict between China and the USA by former Australian prime-minister and current diplomat Kevin Rudd. It titled “The Avoidable War” and goes into quite a bit of detail about China’s, or rather Xi Xinping’s, motivations and goals regarding the world as well as the many relevant bits of history and geopolitical events. I have not finished it but I would suggest that you give it a look as it is bound to have some relevant insights, considering that Rudd had far more personal experience with the Chinese government than most of our other politicians, helped by the fact that he speaks fluent Mandarin.
CR, good. Yes, exactly — I commented in print a couple of decades ago that veganism and animal rights on the Left, and anti-abortion activism on the right, were the natural endpoints of the cult of self-appointed political saviors, since in all these cases the “victims” whose rights are supposedly being defended can’t talk back to their would-be saviors.
Marko, excellent! The whole dream really does fall apart once you pay attention to the realities.
Other Owen, sure…once you’ve scooped out the rock. If there’s anything in the rock worth scooping out. And you’ve got the trip out to the asteroid belt, which is about twice as far as Mars, and during which you’ve been soaking in radiation. As for scooters, I’d encourage you to look up the cost of that project, and compare it to the cost of a mining camp on Vesta. (Or, for that matter, look up the cost of a mining camp in California in 1849, including transportation costs, and compare that to even the cheapest mining camp on Vesta…)
Mary, good. I’m familiar with the Diné Hero Twin myth, and also with equivalent myths from all over the American West — it’s a common story.
Celadon, I see it as a massive mistake to try to map the Christian narrative onto ordinary history — that’s immanentizing the eschaton, as Eric Voegelin used to say, and it reliably produces false predictions and incompetent politics. If the Christians are right and this world is merely a temporary testing ground before souls go to their permanent habitations, after all, it would make sense for the world to keep lumbering onward in its current state, providing each generation of souls with the same set of challenges.
Mary, I’ll consider it. The disc takes a lot of forms: the coin, the pentacle, the shield, the platter, the halo, the earth itself, and so on.
Rajarshi, exactly. Exactly! Cryptocurrencies, like so many other essentially valueless token systems, are there to provide the illusion of increasing wealth at a time when real wealth is contracting.
Patrick, that’s certainly plausible.
Enjoyer, exactly. That’s the standard form of collective nervous breakdown in the Piscean age — if things get too stressful, pretend that you can have up without down, good without evil, and so on through the litany of binaries. That faux-promise of transcendence can be very intoxicating.
Justin, that’s my take. Behind all those imaginary treasures is the forgotten image of becoming the Sun-Hero.
Michaelz, I also recall that bit from Nate. Exactly; the rich can’t deal with the fact that loyalty can’t be purchased — it has to be earned. That’s why they’ll all be crow food fifteen minutes after the rule of law breaks down, and those who know how to earn loyalty will replace them.
J.L.Mc12, thanks for the heads up.
@Michaelz (#67):
That was Douglas Rushkoff’s experience. See his two posts at:
onezero.medium.com/survival-of-the-richest-9ef6cddd0cc1
and
onezero.medium.com/the-privileged-have-entered-their-escape-pods-4706b4893af7
I saw them both and saved them when he first posted them.
JMG, duly noted! It’s an insight that bears repeated repeating! Yes, the best Christian historians are the ones who do this the least. Perhaps NONE would be even better. I’m wrestling with it. But my sympathy is all with the aboriginal camp. Any tracing of eschaton onto history would be fraught with peril. The only doubt I have is that there does seem to be some miniscule leaven or ferment, almost undetectable, like background radiation, that has some influence on human affairs including history. I’m trying …but I appreciate and need the warning…it is not unwelcome!
Hi John Michael and J.L.Mc12,
I’m in a bit of a hurry this morning… Kevin Rudd is clearly a smart bloke. However, given he works as a diplomat, yet seems to have a problem with the actual implementation of the concept of ‘diplomacy’, well his very actions suggest to me that he’s a theorist of the darkest stripe. If I were his boss, I’d have sacked him from that role given recent events. When you’re in a job like that, you are paid to represent the nations interests, not your own political views and leanings.
Gotta bounce, it’s going to be a warm couple of days, and there’s stuff to do! 🙂
And yup, the 5% was the politically tolerable cuts, the economically tolerable cuts have to be that much higher again, at all levels of government. It’s been more or less proven elsewhere that a government cannot run the economy. It surprises me that nobody seems to equate the fall of the Soviet Union with overly large bureaucracies. I don’t see why the parallel is not immediately obvious.
Cheers
Chris
Addendum to my earlier comment:
I see that Douglas Rushkoff has now expanded his two posts into a book, Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires (2022). Fascinating!
BTW, my first pass through Vico, I can’t grok his view on myth. On the one hand he takes it very seriously more seriously than anyone else. On the other, he seems to be saying, this is how they structured consciousness, we don’t do that that way now. Ironically, he fits himself into a moving picture of eternity, in that he foresees the return of barbarism. When the babarie della reflessione returns. On the other hand the dark ages weren’t as intense, or at least not as long, as the pre Homeric cycle. Fast forward to Wagner, are the coming dark ages going to be as intense or long as the medieval era? I feel like Vico would split the difference and say, well, because of the previous cycles and revelation, no …but it will still be intense and dark, it’s just that some groups will find along or submit to a king and plane out a bit faster. But I also think he’d insist on the possibility of going back to the start, if things go wrong, and no one, for instance, remembers their Wagner. Does that make sense? There’s a lot of “on the other hand”s involved, though, throughout.
“bring gold into any situation, and sooner or later you can count on buckets of blood” – oh, how that made me smile! Thanks, I needed that, JMG! I rank it right up there with, “Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world… but for Wales?” (Sir Thomas Moore, in A Man For All Seasons) Aye, the obsession with the shiny yellow metal is far deeper than its monetary value. I think it should be renamed “dragon’s blood”.
“Echoes of the same old myth pervade the core narratives of Christianity” – thanks for having the courage to say that! Whenever I come across a Pagan who claims that Christianity was just a trick played on the gentiles by the Jews in order to control them, I just roll my eyes in amazement of their ignorance and shallowness and walk away. Amazing how the spear, the plate, the sword and the cup pervade European culture, including via Christianity.
Not totally related (but also not totally non-related!), I just today came across an interesting interview of a person (N.S. Lyons) who goes by the nom de plume ‘R. R. Reno’, author of a recent book “Return of the Strong Gods: Nationalism, Populism, and the Future of the West”. The author is a former member of a DC Think Tank (specialization in US-China relations) who got bored of the narrow and shallow interests of his political and bureaucratic ‘masters’. He doesn’t talk about gold, dragons, or anything mythological, however; rather, his focus is on the ‘spirit’ of the various ages of Western culture and how the effeminate, technocratic, open-borders spirit of post-WW2 has come to its inevitable dysfunctional end days – and that a more masculine, nationalist, closed-borders spirit is rising (of which Trump/MAGA is the most dominant manifestation) (I’m grossly oversimplifying here). He also discusses the extended 19th century, which had a relatively masculine/nationalist spirit, but was tempered and coloured by Liberalism. The new ‘spirit’ that he describes appears to be post-Liberalist in nature. Definitely grist for the intellectual mill! Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lNDgLR_DSI
N.S. Lyons also has a substack called “Upheaval” (https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/american-strong-gods)
JMG, I think this ability to earn loyalty is the thing that incenses the Democrats and establishment elites the most about Trump. They hate him because he is more like a war band leader than a transactional politician. Some of things he does that infuriate them are classic acts of bravado that endear him to his followers. Leading troops in to battle from the front is a classic way to achieve loyalty, and Trumps brush with death followed by a defiant fist is the closest thing a modern president could do to match the Warrior kings of history.
His four years of purgatory during the Biden Administration showed that there were many who were willing to work hard and show him loyalty with only a slim hope they would be rewarded. Perhaps we are already at the stage of Rome where they were invaded by the Visigoths, but instead, our Visigoths were lurking inside the border waiting for their chance. If that is the case the future prospects for the Democratic Party are grim as from here on in Tribal loyalty may be the main currency of power.
In the ‘hysterical fit of the giggles’ category: there’s now an ETF where you can invest in reverse engineered alien technology. I couldn’t make this stuff up if I tried.
“The proposed UFO Disclosure AI Powered ETF, which would trade under the ticker symbol UFOD, aims to invest in companies with potential exposure to advanced technologies derived from unidentified flying objects, according to regulatory filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-etf-invest-reverse-engineered-alien-technology
Celadon, I may go too far the other direction, but my sense for many years has been that the leaven affects the individual and the individual alone. Each of us stands, knowingly or not, face to face with the Divine, and we are constantly offered the chance to rise above our historical context and engage with a suprahistorical reality — but we are offered that as individuals only, not as groups or nations or worlds. What’s more, all that any of us can do for other people in that context is to try to encourage them to that confrontation — the encounter and the choice are always for each individual soul. When Stephen Dedalus in Joyce’s Ulysses says “History is a nightmare from which I’m trying to awake,” he says things more harshly than I would, but certainly history is a dream, by turns good and bad, and it’s a dream of the collective, not the individual. It’s the individual who’s called to wake up.
That’s my take, at least. Your mileage may vary.
Chris, I’m heartened that our new secretary of defense is working on a 40% cut in defense expenditures, and that so many bureaucrats have already been laid off that the Washington DC housing market is crashing. Our survival as a nation depends on getting the federal budget back in balance before the dollar finishes losing its status as global reserve currency, and slashing bureaucracy is a crucial element in making that happen.
Robert, thanks for this. I used Nate Hagen’s comments as the basis for a certain scene in Retrotopia; recently I’ve considered doing a deindustrial novel in which the slaughter of the rich by their own security guards is a crucial part of the backstory. It seems to me that if more people think and talk about that, it might begin to sink in among the absurdly rich that maybe, just maybe, turning their attention toward keeping the world from crashing and burning might be a smarter plan…
Celadon, one of the most fascinating things about Vico is his argument that consciousness changes over historical time, moving in a cycle from the barbarism of sense to the barbarism of reflection. For what it’s worth, I think he was right, if not in as exaggerated a sense as he believed, and he himself was much further from the barbarism of reflection than he thought — the age of reason is the first stage in the journey there, not the conclusion.
Ron, you’ll be amused to know that Al Stewart’s song “A Man For All Seasons” was playing right when I put your comment through! The Incas used to call gold the feces of the Sun, which I think catches the mix of magic and grossness as perfectly as can be. As for the mythic dimensions of Christianity, it’s sad that both Christians and Pagans so consistently evade those. In both cases, of course, the motive is the same: the Christian wants to claim that Christianity is different from all other religions because it’s uniquely true, while the Pagan wants to claim that it’s different from all other religions because it’s uniquely false. That it may simply be a standard eastern Mediterranean death and resurrection cult of late Roman vintage, with all the usual bells and whistles, and the same access to the Divine as all other faiths, is offensive to both.
Clay, now that Kashyap Patel has been confirmed for FBI chief, I expect Trump to fulfill another of his promises and launch a thorough investigation of vote fraud; by the time the dust settles from that, both the Democrats and the old-guard GOP are likely to be in a world of hurt. The GOP’s recovery will take the form of being wholly coopted by the Trumpistas; the Democrats’ recovery will take longer, as normally happens after an elite replacement cycle, and will involve the remnants of both the old parties allying with other groups opposed to Trumpismo and building a new consensus; see the Democrats after 1860 and the Republicans after 1932 for examples. A wild ride!
Pygmycory, I saw that, and chuckled. During the South Sea Bubble, one of the first modern stock market bubbles, one stock promoter issued stock “for an undertaking of great advantage, but no one to know what it is.” As I recall, he took in some £300 — a considerable sum in those days — and then quietly closed up shop and vanished. Some things never change…
“I don’t think “godzillionaires” is my coinage”
I haven’t heard that before, but gazillion has been in common usage since grade school.
Then Godzilla is a known quantity, although whether it’s chaotic evil, neutral, or even occasionally good is up to the director.
So godzillionaires for very rich agents of chaos with uncertain motivations fits just fine.
Clay- I followed up on the “gold bars” story, and it appears to have been a figure of speech. With USAID in the crosshairs, a staffer described moving funds into an external bank as “throwing gold bars from the Titanic”. (I assume that they were intended to go into a lifeboat, not lost to the ocean depths.) But, it was just digits on ledgers, not the shiny physical metal.
Indeed, I am amused (but, of course, not surprised) by the synchronicity, JMG!
BTW, I’ve also found N. S. Lyons’ substack that you, and/or others, may be interested in taking a peek at: https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/american-strong-gods
Yeah, that’s kind of what I figured is going on here. The guy in question is also big into AI. I wonder how much of that is racketeering, too.
JMG wrote
David, an excellent point. The Christianity we have today is a fragment — a heavily edited, bowdlerized, and rationalized fragment — of a much stranger and more complex faith.
Does JMG or anyone else have any knowledge of books or other sources that say more about this “stranger and more complex faith”?
Thank you,
Jacques
Stephen Taylor #40:
I was torn between “Homo Mendax”, Man the Liar, and “Homo Semi-Sapiens”, Man the Half-Wit: so I compromised by merging them to “Homo Mendax Semi-Sapiens”, Man the Lying Half-Wit. This seems just to me, and confirmed by observation and introspection.
In the old days farmers got tokens from storage facilities when they deposited their grain, the tokens representing units of wheat, barley etc. Nowadays our monetary tokens aren’t backed by anything, not gold, not silver, not grain, not anything but the full faith and credit of the institutions entrusted with money’s creation and tracking and care.
In today’s betting parlor economy are the organizations in question worthy of this faith and credit? IMO, nowadays, to respect money as a store of value and means of exchange it takes a wilful suspension of disbelief that those places have the will and capacity to do the job.
Not to mention character. In more recent times mob bosses would bring satchels into casino counting rooms and steal cash. They called it ‘skim’, very illegal but pervasive. Nowadays it’s done by means of computer programs, blessed by law and checked by auditors. It’s not ‘skim’ anymore but rather ‘management fees’.
Maybe I’m exaggerating but those palaces here and abroad where laws are made and where daily life is regulated and where money is stored look like nothing so much as so many dealers, cranks, crooks, and thieves. When you go into those places keep a firm grip on your wallet because, in their view, any money in your possession and not in theirs is an insult to justice.
I heard a female coworker say that winning the lottery would solve all her problems. Yes, and create a bushel of new ones that she apparently could not imagine.
Hi Michael Gray,
Is that Rob Sitch? Oh my gawds. Jolly good shot there too! And you may have noticed that today, a live firing demonstration was made in the Tasman Sea? A blue water navy takes a rather vulnerable supply ship, just sayin… When I was a teenager, the D-Generation was a truly fun and insightful show. One of the few shows which captured the imagination with the casts calling out all manner of the fricken obvious societal predicaments.
Man, I used to work as a manufacturing accountant. And you, just sayin…. It is beyond my comprehension that for a few dollars more, the manufacturing sector in this country was thrown under the bus by people who thought that they were smartest folks in the room. Turns out, they ain’t! And the wealth we sent to the land of stuff, are now being returned with interest. Doesn’t seem so smart to me, and did you notice the very recent nationalisation of the South Australian steel works? Surely you took note of the results of the recent Prahran and Werribee by-elections?
Cheers
Chris
Hi John Michael,
Wasn’t there some push from those same folks to err, how did they put it again? Defund? Anyway, it was some other group they wanted that to happen to only a few years ago? It might have been the police, which I’d have to say are kind of an important service, but for all sorts of reasons probably require oversight and reasonable checks and balances (like any group).
Dare I say it, but maybe the consequences of all that noise are a form of blow-back?
It was always going to happen sooner or later.
Cheers
Chris
Rob M Wrote: Not totally related (but also not totally non-related!), I just today came across an interesting interview of a person (N.S. Lyons) who goes by the nom de plume ‘R. R. Reno’, author of a recent book “Return of the Strong Gods: Nationalism, Populism, and the Future of the West”. The author is a former member of a DC Think Tank (specialization in US-China relations) who got bored of the narrow and shallow interests of his political and bureaucratic ‘masters’.
R.R.Reno who wrote “Return of the Strong Gods” is Russell Ronald Reno, theologian, Catholic Convert, and editor of “First Things.” He is not N.S. Lyons, who is a much younger man. I know this because I know Reno. Reno writes about political and religious issues in “First Things.” He is a Catholic Traditionalist and has railed against the current Pope and as well as the Rainbow Reich (his words). The former since he is bending towards the latter. The “Rainbow Reich” is what he called the current trans-gay rights industrial complex. (His words)
To put this in mythic terms. Reno is the traditionalist railing against the current regime, who is corrupt and corrupting.
JM Greer wrote: Chris, I’m heartened that our new secretary of defense is working on a 40% cut in defense expenditures, and that so many bureaucrats have already been laid off that the Washington DC housing market is crashing. Our survival as a nation depends on getting the federal budget back in balance before the dollar finishes losing its status as global reserve currency, and slashing bureaucracy is a crucial element in making that happen.
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Since I live at Ground Zero for this, I will report on what I know. The internet is wrong about housing at half price. What is happening is that housing has slowed down. People have taken to demonstrating in front Musk’s Starlink offices and elsewhere. They are pulling out their big guns such as think of the poor Veterans who will be out of a job or the poor IRS person who cannot process your tax return, etc, etc, etc, etc. Trust me, that are storm and fury, signifying nothing.
What is true is that my region is facing an existential threat to their existence. They are working hand in glove with legacy media to stroke the fires of alarm. In fact, CBS and ABC are in total hysterical panic, since either they are either former government employees or are buddies with their news sources.
I am not sure how to put this into mythic terms. The beast has been roused and it is up the hero to slay it? Beowulf perhaps with Grendel or the dragon that killed him. Question, who is Beowulf? Trump or Musk. (I still think of them as Grant and Sherman, Grant steadily moving South despite the body count, and Sherman marching through Georgia and the Carolinas.)
@neptunesdolphins #88 – thanks for setting the record straight. The introduction in the interview was not clear, as there was reference to either the book or the interviewee not being their true name. So, it seems that Lyons is interpreting and applying Reno’s ideas.
@Jacques #83 Start with the Luke and Acts in the New Testament, lots of strange stuff there, Hebrews and Revelation are fun too, A ritual human blood sacrifice performed providentially by God as a gift for all to use, post death visual encounters with said sacrificial victim encountering to this day, (my elderly Jewish neighbor had this happen to her, along with other people I know) felt uprising internally in human bodies of a Spirit with a possible side effect of speaking in tongues (this happens with me). Group encounters with this Spirit also continuing to this day. Seen this happen over and over. Gentle, supportive, ongoing day to day, knowing of this Spirit freely available, my grandmothers were great examples The whole thing is quite Holy Ghosty.
Warleaders, strong gods, return to masculinity – every crisis era in American history has been marked by a strong emphasis on masculinity and the martial (Martian? In the planetary sense) virtues. (And corresponding vices.)
JMG – if Elon Musk is the new vehicle of The Changer, and Trump 2016 the Orange Julius, isn’t Trump 2024 now the orange Augustus? He’s looking very presidential this time, in rather old-fashioned (or timeless) style of dress.
And, yes, the Long 20th Century is over now. I’ve even noticed a difference in the popular novels in our library. The ones published before the Lockdown are understandably human – and all of them published before Trump’s first victory. The ones after …. even by the same writers….no. This just from dipping into the books in The VIllage library, most of which are oldies, as compared to those on the New Books shelf.
P.S. After getting and tossing another urge to pay the Democratic Party, I realized I can no longer, in good conscience, call myself anything but an Independent. Will not change my registration yet because there are other things to deal with (like taxes) this month.
JMG, such an incisive essay! This is peripheral to the topic of course, but when I read the line “bring gold into any situation, and sooner or later you can count on buckets of blood,” I thought of wedding rings traditionally being made of gold – perhaps another metal would be a better choice then? (I remember you saying elsewhere that diamonds aren’t a good choice for wedding rings, although I forget the specifics.)
@ CR Patiño #54 (and if I may, because it is slightly off-topic)
” That’s why I’d very much like to see the Abortion debate reframed into a Mothers’ rights vs Medical Industry’s rights; instead of the now prevalent Women’s rights vs Thoughtless lumps of flesh’s rights.”
Thank you. To me, this feels exactly and surprisingly right! I had not considered it exactly that way, but now, I will have a go at it!
And FYI my own background is very strictly “pro-choice” – across the board – BUT especially vis-a-vis the medical industry, which I cannot concede is a right-bearing agency – even a little bit! 🙂
If you and I were sitting at a table discussing this/these issue(s), I feel your suggested framing might get us a very long way towards finding common ground.
Be well!
>Man, I used to work as a manufacturing accountant. And you, just sayin…. It is beyond my comprehension that for a few dollars more, the manufacturing sector in this country was thrown under the bus by people who thought that they were smartest folks in the room
I note just how many WW2 items came from factories (like typewriters) that were repurposed to make maybe not weapons but necessary stuff for the war effort. Or parts of rifles, if the machine tools could handle it. Most of that, is now GONE. It’s not just the machines, it’s the people and the knowledge too.
Heck, most basic drugs aren’t made here anymore. Almost everything comes from India or China now. That’ll be interesting, fighting WW3 without antibiotics. That will go well. The military is sure their supply chains are A-OK and I’m sure they’re being lied to by corrupt people.
The “gone” part is key – the Boomers who did this were all of the IBG-YBG, mindset. “I’ll Be Gone, You’ll Be Gone”.
“Chris, it’s really amusing, in a bleak sort of way, to watch the little countries of Europe try to throw their inadequate weight around” – I’ll take the freedom to add something, although it’s off-topic for this weeks post – but since it is on the table… On RT and others you can find ” Germany issues warning to US – Europe should make it clear to President Trump that failure to back “liberal democracies” will come at a price, Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock has insisted” Then the usual blabla follows. In stark contrast to this … I don’t know if you still read eugyppius’ substack. He does a very good job capturing the madness of our political elites. And he seems to have prominent readers. Your vice president made his appearance commenting eugyppius’ post on X. I see this as a very good sign for your country since it seems to show that your administration really does have their ears on the ground and at least for now they walk their talk. I wonder how they managed to gather such a momentum.
Cheers,
Nachtgurke
JMG, this line really stood out for me: ” Since it’s a weird but consistent habit in Western thinking to see the good as ineffectual and only the bad as competent, we end up with our odd modern vision of the sacred as the virtuous embrace of failure and defeat in the face of triumphant and efficient secular evil.”
I’ve been wondering for the last several months why a lot of liberals/progressives keep doubling down on DEI and transgender theory (including the “right” of males to participate in female sporting events), although both are unpopular with voters, and probably cost them the election. They also keep denigrating Trump supporters, seemingly unaware that you don’t convince people to vote for you by insulting them.
When I read the passage quoted above from this essay, it all made sense: “the sacred as the virtuous embrace of failure…” Liberals/Democrats don’t want to win, because then they’d be bad, since only bad people are competent winners, right? So they talk and act in ways that practically guarantee that they’ll lose, so they can virtuously embrace failure.
Siliconguy, fair enough. The feature about Godzilla that recommends it to this usage is sheer size, of course.
Ron, thanks for this.
Pygmycory, and of course that’s also a major question!
Jacques, Stevan Davies’ The Gospel of Thomas and Christian Wisdom and Morton Smith’s Jesus the Magician are two starting points.
Smith, no argument there!
Chris, ha! “Defund the Bureaucrats” — yeah, that works.
Neptunesdolphins, many thanks for the data points.
Patricia M, he really does seem to be changed — but we’ll see.
Yavanna, I’d recommend an alloy of gold and silver, and an emerald — diamonds are stones of Mars and encourage quarrels, while emeralds belong to Venus and bring lasting love.
Nachtgurke, good heavens — Vance reads Eugyppius? That strikes me as a very good sign.
Yavanna, good. Yes, it does make sense, doesn’t it?
@Yavanna
I suspect the terrible economy, Biden’s dementia becoming undeniable, and Kamala being his replacement was what cost the Dems the election.
People would have held their nose and voted for woke policies they disagreed with if the economy was decent and Biden was healthy.
JMG,
I can clearly see how ternary thinking can be related to many binary issues, and I especially appreciate your symbolic interpretation of Christian themes. The more I read your work, the more I realize the depth and nuance of your perspective on Christianity as a whole, and I appreciate you sharing further reading in the previous comment.
With that in mind, I would love to hear your take on how ternary thinking might apply to Paganism as well. I’m not sure I can fully envision a different angle through which to approach it, and I’d really appreciate any insights you could offer or directions you might point me in. And if you have any books to recommend, that would be wonderful, too.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Clark, the old pagan faiths generally embody ternary logic — notice how often there are conflicts between deities resolved by some third force, for example. Polytheism makes this easy, as it’s unnecessary from a polytheist standpoint to assume that any one divine principle is superior to others, omnipotent, etc. Pagan ethics also quite often balance different virtues against each other — consider Aristotle’s argument that a virtue is not the opposite of one vice but the midpoint between two.
From Pocket: “https://www.cjr.org/analysis/america-needs-working-class-media-end-catering-rich-audiences.php?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us”
Subhead: “Catering to rich audiences is not serving us.”
February 18, 2025 By Alissa Quart
The Columbia Journalism Review seems to really mean it.
@Patrick
The tired apologetic trope of Evil being merely a lack or a weakness is one I don’t buy at all, that Tolkien or Lewis fell back on it doesn’t make it any more convincing.
Hatred, malice, sadism, Schadenfreude, pain, all of these are very much positive qualities.
Even things that are born from a lach or that CAN in a waeasely way defined that way still grow very much into something that effectively constitutes a the equivalent of a positive quality and excerts enormous power.
Nobody who ever suffered from hunger or thirst for example can seriously deny that.
If you haven’t, give it a try and then claim that hunger somehow isn’t real because it is ONLY a lack of nourishment.
Alternatively that cold isn’t real because it is MERELY a lack of warmth.
You could go further and try to claim that suffedring in general, in all it’s forms is not real or irrelevant because suffering is just the absence of wellbeing.
Quite the problematic and potentially slippery slope argument that even most christian apologists would be hesitant to make, at least explicitely.
Ultimately it doesn’t even matter at all if Evil isn’t some kind of “substance” , that is and always was a strawman argument.
The whole argument about substances is a dead end abortion of ancient greek philosophy that is completely irrelevant anyway.
Evil is what ones does, especially deliberately causing avoidable suffering, death and horror.
Which very much includes things like creating a universe where all these things are completely unavoidable, baked in and omnipresent even before dubious “values” like free will ever come into place in addition to all sorts of entities are fully free and vastly empowered to cause them at will to defenseless victims.
Evil not being some sort of metaphysical absolute (and there is no reason to assume Good is either, Plato not withstanding) wouzld do nothing to make an entity doing the above things evil.
Intelligence and similar “virtues” are in themselves morally neutral, they are good in an instrumental sense, good for one to have (though not purely good or without their downsides and massive dangers) but they are not morally good in and of themselves.
They may be necessary preconditions for both “Good” and “Evil” aka being good/evil but that doesn’t make them BE these things in and of themselves, to the contrary this just reinforces that “Good” and “Evil” are both derivative and derived, nothing truly fundamental.
” I note just how many WW2 items came from factories (like typewriters) that were repurposed to make maybe not weapons but necessary stuff for the war effort. Or parts of rifles, if the machine tools could handle it.”
As it happens I have a WW2 M1 carbine. The receiver was made by IBM and the barrel was made by Underwood, the typewriter company. Singer of sewing machine fame also made carbine parts.
As for emeralds as wedding ring, be warned that they have a hardness of 7.5 or 8 on the Mohs scale, compared to rubies and sapphires at 9 and of course diamonds at 10. An emerald in a ring will likely get banged up in normal use. Maybe you could have a simple gold band for daily use and keep the emerald ring for dress occasions.
data point from Canada:
A while ago on here I remember hearing suggestions that Trump’s tariffs could help Polievre distinguish himself from Trump and help him get elected. According to polls the Conservatives have dropped like a rock, and everyone in my location seems to be a) blisteringly mad at Trump, and b) afraid of Polievre by proxy even though he is loudly against any of the 51st state bluster and has said so repeatedly and made some decent suggestions.
Also seeing more Canada flags than I’m used to outside Canada Day and tourist shops, and the grocery stores are sticking maple leaves on the shelves with Canadian products so that the many of us trying to buy Canadian can more easily do so. Some of the US products went on heavily sale, and there’s speculation the grocery stores are having trouble moving them.
Also, half the internal trade barriers within Canada are apparently being dropped. Time and past time for that – seriously, why wasn’t that done years ago?
As far as I can tell, the main impact of Trump’s threats so far has been to unite Canadians against him in a way very rarely seen on any subject.
On a more personal level, I understand and sympathize with some of Trump’s policies, among them the desire to rebuild the US’s manufacturing sector via tariffs, but the annexation threats severely anger me, and yes, I’m one of the people avoiding US goods as much as reasonably possible.
>I’ve been wondering for the last several months why a lot of liberals/progressives keep doubling down
They’re religious fanatics who can’t admit they’re wrong. About anything. They’ll keep doubling down until it breaks them. Not to say ideology is useless but if your ideology takes up more than one page of A1 single spaced paper, I’m inclined to thwack you over the head with a hardbound copy of Das Kapital.
The Iranian revolution involved a kind of group mind that travelled instantly from person to person filling them with an overwhelmingly powerful sense of justice and righteousness. I felt it in the crowd chanting outside the occupied American embassy, and I remember it clearly to this day.
My theory is that this collective emotional tsunami, which is quite unstoppable, may be divinely inspired. Perhaps Savak tortured to death a young poet who was cherished by the heavens? My guess is that most revolutions, including those of 1848, did not possess this wild spontaneity and power, and were instead more artificial regime change movements.
My question, which is slightly off topic, is whether being raised in Persia, in a Magian culture and family, has made me somehow careless of the fate of the West. I don’t really concern myself with it’s impending decline, and I actually care much more about Asian, African and Russian cultures. I’ve always seen eye to eye with the peoples of these regions, whereas I regard my own Faustian birth culture as deranged and largely incomprehensible.
“next to nobody realizes just how far away Mars is”
Funny enough, I have been thinking about this exact thing because one of my kids is quite into astronomy, and so I’ve been dusting off the ol’ Physics 101 formulae for figuring out how small something will look / how far away you can see things. It’s amazing we can see Mars at all at that distance, incredible!
A transcript of Catherine Liu and Chris Hedges talking about how the professional managerial class (PMC) has betrayed workers for seats within the halls of power, all while they wag their fingers at the politically incorrect working class.
https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/virtue-hoarders-and-the-rejection
Hi John Michael,
Hope you’re enjoying the unfolding events, which between you and me, were always going to happen. It sounds a bit twee, but once a can is kicked down the road, eventually in a journey you catch up to the can.
Man, I work in and with small business, and the regulatory burden is quite astounding, but it’s there. There’s an element of my brain which looks forward to being able to shrug off some of that burden. It’s like having a tick consume your life blood whilst you’re trying to get productive stuff done. You work harder and harder, but the blood keeps getting sucked by something which is not really doing anything all that productive.
But on the other hand, it’s not lost on me that all these deep cuts will eventually result in an astounding economic depression. How could it not? People aren’t adapted to working hard and being productive, like doing useful stuff of benefit.
Still, from a ternary perspective, the basic economic contract for the average person had become untenable. What did all those smart folks expect?
I dunno man, crazy days. But then I was deeply uncomfortable about these choices in the late 90’s, shrugged my shoulders, and went off and did something different. It’s hard to escape the clutches though. At least you and I know how to live on the cheap, that’s a serious skill. Are you considering revisiting that story soon? It could be needful.
Cheers
Chris
Patricia M, good heavens. They’ve actually gotten a clue. I wonder how it got through all the filters raised against it.
Pygmycory, I’m glad to hear this. As I see it, each nation is a unique community and deserves to define its own destiny; Canada until recently, it seems to me, has been too prone to forget that and act as though it was a province either of the EU or of the US. On a more pragmatic level, buying locally instead of being dependent on imports is good for every community as we move deeper into decline.
Tengu, to judge by what was written by people who were there in 1848, it was the same sort of thing. As for the fate of the West, a lot of people who don’t have your Magian background have the same attitude. I get the sense that Faustian civilization is committed to a firework’s trajectory — up with the rocket, down with the stick — and even most of its own members are, in some sense, good with that.
Bofur, incredible indeed. And yet we can also see the stars…
Anonymous, wow. I”m glad to see this.
Chris, I think a depression was already baked into the cake. The question is simply who gets to bear the brunt of it, and here in the US, at least, that’s pretty clearly going to be the managerial class. Me, I”m breaking out the popcorn, but also bracing for a tempest.
>but the annexation threats severely anger me
This is sort of what drove the Russians to invade Ukraine. Could you stop being a security risk/hole? I think you’d find the new crowd in the imperial city would be happy to leave you alone, if your country wasn’t perceived to be a threat. People said Russia would never invade Ukraine, until they did.
How are you a security risk? We could start with all of that Fentanyl. Or all the illegals you let in that conveniently walk their way down south. I hear your military is in much worse shape than Murica’s, and that’s saying quite a lot.
I’m personally not fond of the idea. Canucks would mindlessly vote Democrat on just about everything and that would bring eternal blue night to this side of the planet. But I don’t really speak for the people in the Imperial City, nobody really does. I’m just outlining what I think they’re thinking.
>The question is simply who gets to bear the brunt of it, and here in the US, at least, that’s pretty clearly going to be the managerial class
Not to say I don’t disapprove of all that Elon has done so far, even though I don’t trust the guy any further than I can throw him. But I think Elon is about to discover just how much of the economy has been the government all along and how little of the capitalist system actually remains. Some of it is still capitalist but I think he’s going to be surprised at how little. He shouldn’t be but he will. Sigh.
You cut off the government money spigot, the illusion is going to go POOF in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, ….
JMG,
From what I have seen “time is cyclical”, “good times with bad”, “rise and fall of kingdoms” are much healthier perspectives for people to have but since it runs in direct opposition to the “linear time-line of the God of progress” its rejected outright.
What’s interesting to me is that the God of the old testament has the more cyclical perspective of time (which again I think is healthier and a better foundation) but… his sons life and death centers on a much more linear perspective.
So in the West I get a culture that “could” have a cyclical view of time (plenty of source material and tradition to support it) but simply can’t due to Proestantism.
Taking on a Druid nature child syncretic path of Christianity as probably close to my indigenous path as I can get, pray to Jesus, the god of nature, Mary the mother, and Mary the initiate to guide me on my path to the golden treasure of contentment. My old man (the partner not the father) can’t for various reasons earn many money tokens but he made us a fantastic heater from the squirrel cage and infrared elements of one of those fake fireplaces whose motherboard had passed its planned obselescence (pictured on my Substack soon when I got better internet). Meanwhile musk is on full display playing sun-god at the world government summit w fawning Arab prince cooing that now that he has revolutionized space travel and then brought on the ‘sustainable’ electric transport future he was ready to transform the world of government through efficiency magic. Funny that the sun god heroes of today have ‘efficiency’ in their job titles.
Other Owen @ 106.
They’re religious fanatics who can’t admit they’re wrong. About anything. They’ll keep doubling down until it breaks them.
The current iteration of the Democratic Party has apparently decided that Israel + (virtually open borders) immigration + (so-called) humanitarian intervention is the hill they intend to die on. Multiculturalism is a highly seductive ideology, inviting its’ adherents to believe themselves among history’s elite. It is as if these pretentious fools believe their neighbors are Plato and Shakespeare, rather than the ordinary folks who really do live in their neighborhoods. The ideology itself was, in part, a reaction to the stifling middle brow cultural conformism of the 50s and early and middle 60s. You may not be old enough to remember how pervasive was the propaganda from advertising and mass media which sold mass consumerist conformism to the public as an expression of patriotism.
@Other Owen,
the fentanyl is flowing in both directions, and what’s entering the USA from Canada is less than 1% that entering from Mexico. Meanwhile, Illegal guns are flowing primarily from the USA into Canada, and from the USA into Mexico.
If there’s a security hole, it goes both ways, and the US-Canada one is far smaller than the one in the USA’s southern border. Yet the USA isn’t threatening to annex Mexico.
At this point, Canada has already done some of the things the USA has been asking for: sending a bunch more money and resources to the border for enforcement, and appointing a fentanyl czar. Despite this, the threats, insults, and pressure from the USA have been increasing, not decreasing.
It’s starting to feel more like what Trump wants is a resource colony.
I agree with you that Canada being the 51st US state would be a giant mess – for a completely different reason. It would put the Albertans and the Quebequois in the same state. They can’t get along, ever. I think the USA would end up with multiple insurgencies on its hands and a very expensive mess. I thought the USA was wanting to get out of wars, not into them.
@JMG,
agreed on the buying local. If it were just the tariffs…
@Other Owen,
re: the illegals entering the USA from Canada. That is also bi-directional, and we just increased border enforcement specifically to make it decrease. The threats from the USA have increased rather than decreased, and again, the flood of illegal immigrants from Mexico is enormously larger and the USA isn’t threatening Mexico with annexation.
The Medieval view of “The Wheel of Fortune” seems most fitting for our times. “Sometimes weal and sometimes woe….” every up implies a down, etc.
My Gainesville daughter keeps asking if I’ve been following the news. I keep telling her, “not really; I avoid doomscrolling.” And is disappointed when I say I don’t, since there’s nothing I can do about it. But, then, she fears for her job at the University of Florida, and for her patients, most of whom depend on Medicare and Medicaid and the like. Then she asked me if I was happy, and was pleased when I said I was. Pleased as in shes got me parked in a very nice and sheltered place….oh, I agree, and know full well how fragile that is — but I’m betting it will at least last my lifetime.
The Mainstream Media was a topic of discussion at last night’s supper table in The Village, with 4 out of the 6 diners being my neighbors. One neighbor summed it up quite well: “They’re selling fear and anger, which keeps people reading them.”
Which we also talked about, including kidney problems, and my resolve to let nature take its course, one woman telling how she had them badly and and a military hospital took heroic measures I can’t imagine any of them doing today!
Re: Chris Hedges’ perspective:
I looked at his Substack, and his latest article predicts that Trump’s regime will be no better for civil liberties and Contitutional principles than the one it replaced:
The Purge of the Deep State and the Road to Dictatorship
https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/the-purge-of-the-deep-state-and-the-440
“The Trump administration’s war with the deep state is not a purgative. It is not about freeing us from the tyranny of intelligence agencies, militarized police, the largest prison system in the world, predatory corporations or the end of mass surveillance. It will not restore the rule of law to hold the powerful and the wealthy accountable. It will not slash the bloated and unaccountable spending — some $1 trillion dollars — by the Pentagon. …
“The ultimate target for the Trump administration is not the deep state. The target is the laws, regulations, protocols and rules, and the government civil servants who enforce them, which hinder dictatorial control. Compromise, limited power, checks and balances and accountability are slated to be abolished. Those who believe that the government is designed to serve the common good, rather than the dictates of the ruler, will be forced out. The deep state will be reconstituted to serve the leadership cult. Laws and the rights enshrined in the Constitution will be irrelevant.”
I tend to agree. This is consistent with Spengler’s prediction of Caesarism – the forms of the Constitution without the substance.
The way I see it, we have a 2 to 4 year reprieve from misery. I intend to make the best use of this that I can, to better prepare for further oppressions and hardships ahead. I recommend that all of us take that attitude as well.
“I’m personally not fond of the idea. Canucks would mindlessly vote Democrat on just about everything”
Depends on which Canadians. Trump supporting folks out in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and eastern BC would most likely vote for Republicans. If the three territories were also made into states they would also vote for Trump if Alaska is anything to judge by. The Bloc Quebecois would probably still be around in Quebec as a third party. But the Maritimes are basically an extension of New England and would vote Democrat, as would Vancouver/western BC since it’s basically an extension of the coastal Pacific Northwest. And Ontario is dominated by Toronto which is basically Chicago-on-Lake-Ontario and Ottawa which is Washington-on-the-St. Lawrence-River and so probably vote Democrat.
But I’m fine with leaving Ontario and Quebec and the Maritimes in Canada. We can give New England and New York to Canada in exchange for the western provinces and the territories.
@103 Schopsi
It was an interesting perspective, but not one I really share.
The being without any virtues is an abstraction. In the real world sometimes “corrupted” virtues are MORE effective at achieving ends than following “the straight and narrow” path.
@Pygmycory
Canada has to appease the US by securing its southern border to halt the flow of fentanyl and migrants into the USA and not make alliances with enemies of the U.S. (China and in the near future, the EU). The annexation threats are because of those issues.
National sovereignity is a good ideal, but in practice weaker countries have to maintain good relations with their much stronger neighbors.
@107 Tengu
JMG and most of this blog’s readership is Western. We care about the decline of the West largely because it’s personal to us, not because we have a saintly capacity to deeply care about the future of every culture on Earth.
It’s not your culture, ideologies, or economic future at stake. Heck, a few centuries ago, if I recall correctly, there wasn’t even a concept of “the West” in the minds of Europeans.
Hi John Michael,
Exactly. The people who made this mess, have the greater responsibility of sharing the largest burden of the fallout.
The thing is, if you know how to live on the cheap, there’s probably a good reason for that.
I dunno about you, but watching this story kick off in about 1997 really left me with a bad feeling that one day, events would catch up. The people who used to cry from the position of expertise that ‘it all doesn’t matter’ are some of the most irresponsible around. It always mattered don’t you reckon?
Cheers
Chris
Sadly, there is a naivete behind these DOGE proceedings, although some of them undoubtedly are aware they are playing a desperate game to save the country, w the odds against them. It had to happen, and this is how it happens. The PMC will go to their grave convinced MAGA destroyed us, and so their faction will prolong itself artificially in that way.
JMG, I’ll bet you’re aware that Wagner was the last opera performed in Berlin, in 1945, w the Russians closing into the outskirts? They handed out cyanide pills to those who accepted them. I don’t recall which opera it was ….
“Vance reads Eugyppius? That strikes me as a very good sign”
I wouldn’t be surprised if he reads here.
@MMartin, I tend to agree with your conclusion, but not the reasoning. Trump is riding a wave, and that wave is not controllable, completely. They may plan on just a hostile takeover and then they are the Hipoppa, but I don’t think it will go that way for them if they try it. Forces and genies are out of the bottle
The discussion of money, and gold in particular, as the sun-treasure that we project so many of our hopes and dreams reminds me of a peculiar rule in the earliest editions of Dungeons & Dragons: that you gain experience points for mundane treasure obtained during adventuring, at a rate of one experience point per gold piece of value.
There are generally two defenses of this widely-mocked old rule: (1) it serves to motivate adventures and make clear what it is adventurers are supposed to be doing (which is not just killing monsters!), and (2) it is no more unrealistic than Hit Points or Armor Class, both of which are abstractions in the extreme. (Once you realize HP is not “meat points,” you quickly realize it actually doesn’t measure anything more specific than “How long can you last in a fight?”)
Perhaps those of us who enjoy playing the old editions (or OSR games that retain the rule) can add a third defense: by gathering treasure, characters are participating in a mythological conquest of winter and darkness. (Of course, this raises the question of what the opposite side of the myth would be!)
@Patrick #125
Magian culture abuts Africa and all the cultural regions of the East, so it’s comparatively easy for those raised in this region to relate to neighbouring peoples. The present day descendants of Arab and Persian merchants can be found in places as far afield as Russia, China, South East Asia, India and West Africa. This Magian adaptability is largely geographic in origin and it is unrelated to spiritual accomplishment.
As I’ve never travelled to North America I can’t comment on its future, but if you live in Western Europe, and if you’re young, or if you have children, then in my view you should start making preparations for eventually moving overseas. I’m afraid it doesn’t matter how attached you may be to the Faustian West, it’s still doomed.
I see that Chris Hedges has come up in the comments. While I don’t agree with everything he says, he is one of the few self labelled leftist writers I do recommend checking out. He has a decent grip on the larger issues and has be flagging the rise of push back against “the norm” for a very long time for all the right reasons. The few times he has talked about policies that would have averted the problems of the times, they were always very reasonable and focused on the people that need it most.
Alas, those with power shouldn’t have it. Those that should, don’t want it.
In regards to what Tengu has written about Faustian culture, I have some similar feelings. Although I was born in Germany, live there, and although I belong nominally to Faustian culture there are soi many things in the current version of Faustian culture which are simply alien to me that I consider myself culturally rather homeless. And it does not help that Europe, and particularly Germany, is pursuing self-destructing policies with the accompliceship of a brainwashed and uncurious population; the evidence can be seen in the results of the German Bundestag elections on last Sunda, for example. There doesn’t even seem to be a honest wish to have a better future for many people.
I don’t know if the Götterdämmerung as such is an archetype, but it looks as if it is indeed an European, and particularly German, archetype.
>The way I see it, we have a 2 to 4 year reprieve from misery. I intend to make the best use of this that I can, to better prepare for further oppressions and hardships ahead.
Gorbachev inherited a Soviet Union on the brink of collapse. In his attempts to stave it off, he implemented a bunch of reforms among them glasnost and perestroika. They did work – for a time. The problem was they created even bigger problems later on that were outside his ability to handle and the whole thing went *flump* and collapsed with Yeltsin skipping off to declare himself president of Russia. Then he proceeded to cultivate an alcohol addiction and was eventually tarred and feathered but that’s another story.
So, yeah, 2 years. Maybe less, maybe more. Make the best of it while you can. You don’t see the media fawning over Trump the way they fawned over Gorby. Then again, they just don’t matter anymore, do they?
>Depends on which Canadians. Trump supporting folks out in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and eastern BC would most likely vote for Republicans. If the three territories were also made into states they would also vote for Trump if Alaska is anything to judge by.
Personally, I’d be in favor of poaching the productive parts of Canuckistan and leaving all the woke blue parts to themselves, to be virtuous and smug while rotting away in a corner over there.
But I think you’d have to take all of them or none of them, sigh. Yeah, I could see those silly Quebecois being a real pain in the rear. I mean, they already are, it’s just a question of whose rear they are a pain in.
I just wonder, what’s the idea behind wrecking all the soft power and goodwill that U.S. once had among many nations? Blackmailing and making blunt threats might work in a short term, but in the end, that will push many countries just more towards the lap of China, not less. And if Trump wants to save his face after so many nonproductive threats, and starts a war against some uppity country …, we have already seen how well that has gone before. But maybe he thinks he is an emperor of Rome, that had only enemies behind its borders and didn’t need any allies?
To pygmycore, regarding the “51st state” and Greenland: Trump probably thinks that if he can’t make America great again in any other way, at least he can make it _larger_, and thus be left in the history.
To JGM: It’s interesting to compare the tone in that 2011 piece (after the last flight of Space Shuttle) and the tone of your blog now, and especially that of the commenters. Much greener and ecological, and “homesteading” in its tone back then, much more resentment and political rhetoric now, and not much talk of Peak Oil anymore.
In wonder, why did this happen?
No comment needed. From Semafor: https://www.semafor.com/article/02/20/2025/corporations-dig-deeper-using-bunkers-to-secure-data?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us “To secure data (and their CEOs)” us the full heading.
And from CNB, a straw in the wind. Warren Buffett is nobody’s fool.
“https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/22/warren-buffett-amasses-more-cash-and-sells-more-stock-but-doesnt-explain-why-in-annual-letter.html?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us .
“The target is the laws, regulations, protocols and rules, and the government civil servants who enforce them, which hinder dictatorial control. Compromise, limited power, checks and balances and accountability are slated to be abolished.”
The problem with that statement is the government civil servants are the dictatorial control.
As an example the State department of health just sent our water system a form so we can document the materials of construction of the water lines on both sides of every water meter under the guise of removing the lead service lines we don’t have. This system is fairly new and never had lead in the mains or in the taps from those mains. But the state assumes guilt even though multiple lead and copper tests taken in peoples homes for decades have never shown any lead.
@131 Tengu
I am a working class American and ex-progressive. I now see the core project of Faustian culture, stated so baldly in Spengler, as ultimately delusional.
I have recently come to see the growing corporate censorship and the woke movement as a threat to the preservation of past American and European culture. While I am not very “cultured,” our society needs that foundation, and individuals (if they so choose) should be able to access old documents and literature that might have outdated views, or contradict the simplistic historic narratives that the education system pushes on us.
More importantly, I and others don’t want our living standards to crash, though that will be inevitable.
A. Karhukainen,
“It’s interesting to compare the tone in that 2011 piece (after the last flight of Space Shuttle) and the tone of your blog now, and especially that of the commenters. Much greener and ecological, and “homesteading” in its tone back then, much more resentment and political rhetoric now, and not much talk of Peak Oil anymore.”
I can’t speak for JMG or others, but as someone who’s been reading JMG’s blog(s) since those halcyon days: when the farmhouse is on fire, worrying about soil fertility can wait.
Americans find ourselves in the middle of one of our roughly once-a-century political upheavals and realignments (the previous ones occurring during the FDR administration, the Lincoln administration, and the American Revolution), in which national crises force major changes politically, socially, culturally, and economically, and redefine how Americans see ourselves as a nation.
It’s a daunting, anxiety-ridden time, and a pressing need for a lot of us is to make sense of what’s going on and get a sense of what to expect and how to prepare for it. Through his posts and comments, JMG has graciously provided those services to his readers, especially those of us who subscribe to his political astrology reports — I highly recommend it.
Despite this, if you look back over the last ten years, the time since “Donald Trump and the Politics of Resentment,” you’ll actually find that American politics take up a small portion of what JMG himself writes about, and he’s occasionally intentionally tried to distract from hot-button political issues until they’ve had time to cool a bit. It’s us, the readers, that keep bringing up politics, for the simple reason that we’re scared, worried, and hoping he will help us make sense of it all.
@ AKarhukainen said “To JGM: It’s interesting to compare the tone in that 2011 piece (after the last flight of Space Shuttle) and the tone of your blog now, and especially that of the commenters. Much greener and ecological, and “homesteading” in its tone back then, much more resentment and political rhetoric now, and not much talk of Peak Oil anymore. In (sic) wonder, why did this happen?”.
Wow. That’s not a loaded question at all. Maybe all the homesteading people who actually do some of it decided they had the beginnings of a political consensus, or could at least discuss it, despite backgrounds. That would be my take. My milk lady and I are on good terms despite her being a never Trumper person. I could care less, if the rest of it stays cool. And I suspect, she will get there too. A sea change. Should be good for homesteads.
#A. Karhukainen #136,
As reader and commenter on this blog for 19 years now I think I can clear away the confusion you are having about the direction of this blog ( at least to me).
The overriding narrative of our Host and this blog is catabolic collapse. Yes, homesteading and energy awareness are important parts of this but so is understanding the sweep and direction of history, especially that of the US empire. As we passed peak oil it slowly became apparent that the effects would be much greater than how to heat our houses. It would effect the policies of those in power and the shape of the empire in decline.
As the empire declined through the 2010’s a self serving class came to power to loot the accumulated wealth that had been created by a century of innovation, hard work and imperial power. The strove to keep the Imperial wealth pump running by military force, and bullying as our ability to project power faded.
It became apparent that the empire was doomed, but the ride down could be softened by greatly reducing expenses, ejecting the parasites, and pulling in from imperial over reach. That is what is happening now. You should not be surprised that some people who have paid close attention to things are smiling at these developments.
We are past the point as a country where having weak parasite friends ( Europe, UK, Ukraine) benefits us and time to make more useful friends.
It is like the decision that a formerly rich man has to make when he grows older and falls on hard times. The friends he had when he was flush who were happy to partake of his largess and flatter him are of no use. He has to fall back on his working class buddies from high school, who are the only ones left to help him on the way down.
Has Wotan responded yet to that email demanding he explain what work he did in Valhalla last week?
I find the gnashing of teeth over this surprising, to be honest. I’ve held a wide variety of paid jobs, from cleaning toilets to fabricating custom electronics to accompanying group home residents to community events, but none for which I couldn’t describe the work I did from day to day. It would have been a bit time-consuming for some jobs that incorporated a wide variety of duties in the same job (“calibrated instruments; soldered custom connectors onto data cables; proofread two papers in draft…”) or required some explanation of specialized tasks (“wrote x thousand words of fiction organized into y segments along with pseudocode rules for how the segments link together depending on the world state…”) but in every case it would have been easy to write an answer. I suppose I was never hired to strategize asset allocation for the synergistic three-dimensional convergence of the core competency deliverables (though I have been hired to load cartons of products on a truck).
I thought there were a few do-nothing jobs and a much greater number of unnecessary jobs in government, but that all the useless or counterproductive ones would still involve doing something that can be stated in words. Even if it’s “checked all coffee mugs for employee compliance with office personal coffee mug policies; documented three violations” or “read, logged, evaluated, and responded (denied of course) to 78 applications for permits to do something useful.” But the amount of noise and outrage suggests my understanding has been incomplete. I’m sure others are getting the same impression, whether or not anything else ever comes out of that demand.
In regard to the Canada and Greenland vs Trump noise-making, look at a polar map or a globe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Circle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Sea_Route
Canada has no effective defense of its northern border. Relying on polar bears, tundra, and taiga seems inadequate at best. Denmark recently beefed up its Greenland defense force with two dogsleds. I wish I was making that up. And why would they send more? Nothing that happens to Greenland is a threat to Copenhagen.
Well, almost nothing. A few Tsar Bombas could knock a large part of the icecap off of Greenland and flood Denmark, but St. Petersburg would flood too, so the Russians won’t do that.
Anyway, the US sends submarines to patrol the Arctic on a routine basis. Whether they are also cruising off of the east coast of Greenland I don’t know, but it seems likely. The Navy is also trying to get a new batch of heavy icebreakers built, but it’s not going well. The people who did the last two are gone and their rather specialized knowledge went with them. US shipbuilding was mostly exported to save money. Oops.
Hence the US is trying to browbeat our allies into doing something to defend their own territory. But their demographics are collapsing and keeping the social welfare systems up are more important. There is no more money to be had.
Chris at Fernglade wrote, “It’s like having a tick consume your life blood whilst you’re trying to get productive stuff done. You work harder and harder, but the blood keeps getting sucked by something which is not really doing anything all that productive.”
Though you were writing about the regulatory burden imposed on almost any honest attempt to hold onto a decent share of the fruits of one’s labor, I was struck by how precisely your words accurately describe my experience of the unseen realms as well. All of the metaphysical parasites, depleting narratives, and deranged hypocrisies that get dumped onto us from a very tender age immediately try to latch on for longterm feeding. By getting their feeding tubes attached directly into our vital energy centers (making them much more difficult to clear away from the unseen ecosystems we carry around within us), we eventually lose track of where they came from and end up misidentifying them as a natural part of our Selves.
Those imposed imbalances pilfer away our vital energies, which otherwise could go into living fruitful, meaningful lives. Of course, learning to cope with the continuous depletion of our vital forces by those imbalances is a large part of why we’re in incarnation in the first place. Since the kind of parasites we’ll end up facing whenever we achieve divinity will be an order of magnitude more consumptive than what we have to endure down here, it would kinda suck to graduate without ever having learned how to handle the kind of small fry that manage to send us into such a kerfuffle at this level. Imagine being transported from one of our early, total-train-wreck incarnations directly up to the myriad unknown challenges of the spiritual and causal planes — it would be like going from kindergarten directly to post-graduate doctoral work!
So here we find ourselves instead, working harder and harder, trying to develop some rudimentary facility in effectively clearing, banishing, or exorcising the various energy leeches sucking us dry. Within our current cultural imbalances, what most astounds me is that our regulatory classes, with all their deadening pettiness and pointless bureaucratic aspirations, have chosen to model their earthly behavior on the kind of subtle-plane parasites that the rest of us have ruefully learned to recognize as curses, whammies, evil eyes, hexes, etc. What horrible things did these poor souls do in their last lives for Karma to find it fitting to inflict parasite emulation on them in this one? And what in god’s name will their next lives look like? It really is frightening to contemplate.
Someone above linked to a clip from an Australian comedy series called Utopia, which promptly sent me down a youtube rabbit-hole. The brilliantly scripted and timed self-protecting, self-justifying, and self-aggrandizing drivel that Utopia’s mindless technocrats mechanically rattle off is truly spot on. I have never seen such an honest parody of the bloodsucking ticks in suits we’ve all been forced to keep afloat for so long. Again, there is plenty that could be learned about subtleties on the unseen planes from such accurate depictions of the material-plane parasites we’re now so tediously over-familiar with.
Other Owen, ah, but the US government doesn’t actually produce much for all that money. If the Trump administration is able to slash the Federal budget and reduce taxes across the board, that same money will be in the hands of taxpayers, who doubtless have their own ideas about what to do with it. The potential for a serious economic boom, when all that money stops flowing into Cayman Islands bank accounts and surges into the US consumer economy instead, is not small.
GlassHammer, all varieties of Christianity embraced the linear view of time originally, though some have backed away from it to various degrees. The main source of today’s obsession with linear time isn’t Protestantism, though — it’s Progressivism, which is basically a Christian heresy in which science and technology take the place of Jesus.
AliceEm, good! But “efficiency” is always in the job titles of would-be saviors during eras of decline.
Pygmycory, understood.
Patricia M, do you recall the fine old Blood Sweat and Tears song, “Spinning Wheel”? It’s been playing in my mind a lot recently:
“What goes up must come down
Spinnin’ wheel, spinnin’ round..”
Michael, that’s certainly one perspective. I tend to a somewhat more nuanced view, seeing this as a standard elite replacement cycle, and those do generally involve modest improvements in quality of life for most people, if only because the new elite is always unstable enough in its first decades that it has to buy support by popular measures. That said, we’ll see what happens.
Chris, of course it always mattered — and I know a lot of people who got through the Covid fiasco in better shape because they’d picked up the habit of living a little more frugally. So it all works out…
Celadon, I wasn’t aware of that! It’s utterly typical of the Nazi regime, though.
Bofur, that would startle me. We’re way out on the fringes here.
Slithy, good heavens. I always read that rule as a reflection of simple realism: if you earn money you can arrange to upgrade your skill set, equipment, etc. in ways that are equivalent to practical experience. But you’re right; by plunging into the dark dungeon of winter, slaying the monsters that infest it, and bringing forth the golden sun-treasure to shine on the world, you get myth points!
Michael, I disagree with Hedges quite often but that’s one of the reasons I read him. I suspect he’s painting the picture in grimmer colors than it deserves because it’s his side getting clobbered, just as he’s been unduly optimistic when his side seems to be in the ascendant, but that’s a common human trait.
Booklover, the end of the world is indeed an archetype, and it’s an archetype with which Faustian culture has always been madly in love. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Europe manages to embody it in pretty fair detail.
A. Karhukainen, I’ve mentioned many times now my bemusement with the way that some of my commenters wish I could just keep on writing over and over again about the same things in the same tones. I’ve never understood that, and it certainly doesn’t interest me. It’s even more startling that the change in tone comes as a surprise to some readers. I think you were around, weren’t you, back when I talked about how “collapse now and avoid the rush” was no longer an option because the rush had arrived? We’re now well into the next big wave of political and economic crisis I wrote about so often, and the pruning of the federal bureacracies is part of the current round of catabolic collapse. It seems quite reasonable to me that people are more on edge now that we’re in the middle of crisis, and the change of tone follows from that.
As for peak oil, it’s come up here now and again, but it’ll be a complete waste of time to refocus on it until the next oil price spike comes within reach. The entire subject of environmental limits was weaponized for political gain by certain wealthy corporate interests, with disastrous results — next to nobody these days believes that the limits are real, or that there’s anything to environmentalism but the pompous handwaving of the absurdly rich trying to get everyone else to give up cars so they don’t have to. That’s the great tragedy of the environmental movement in our time. By becoming shills for the Davos set, environmentalists guaranteed that nobody will take them seriously until we slam face first into the limits to growth — for those are real, of course, and they form the unmentionable subtext of a very great deal of current politics and economics. But it’s useless to try to point that out until the limits become harder to ignore.
Patricia M, thanks for both of these.
Walt, ha! That’s a good one. I think, though, the answer is much simpler than you’ve suggested. A very large number of those notional employees very likely don’t exist, and never existed in the first place; it would be interesting to cross-reference their social security numbers with the 40 million fake social security numbers Elon Musk turned up the other day. I suspect that padding federal payrolls with nonexistent employees is one of the ways that high-ranking bureaucrats have supplemented their salaries for a good many years now, and especially since the Covid fiasco. Thus the screeching — if the truth comes out, a fair number of bureacrats may be facing prison time and the loss of a lot of the wealth they’ve squirreled away.
One thing to consider is that catabolic collapse applies to wealthy individuals too. Except for them, it’s not money that runs out first. Time becomes the limiting factor, and they simply do not have enough time to manage all of their affairs, which leads to delegating which leads to grifting which leads to the need for more oversight which leads to more delegation which leads to more grifting and, before you know it, you’re miserable and in a much worse state than you were in before you became rich.
Siliconguy #144:
Note that this still exists:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituffik_Space_Base (previously known as “Thule Airbase”).
And Canada is still part of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORAD and most likely have been quite happy with that arrangement, like I guess are Denmark and Greenland with being under NATO’s (US’) nuclear umbrella.
So what’s the point of aggravating USA’s loyal allies with all this talk about annexation?
Clay Dennis at #142 wrote: “We are past the point as a country where having weak parasite friends ( Europe, UK, Ukraine) benefits us and time to make more useful friends.”
Do you mean Russia with the latter? Yes, at least it could supply US with its oil (and maybe also natural gas) so that the illusion of “nothing needs to change” on your energy and infrastructure front could continue a little bit further.
It’s funny how China started building a high-speed rail network almost thirty years ago, but US still bets on the air and road traffic, and even its rail network is mostly not electrified (so needs diesel locos). Note that the countries are of about the same size, except the western parts of China are mostly desert (and I guess soon also those of US, if the droughts continue). But I guess for many people “Great Again” part means some kind of return to the golden past, where one didn’t need to worry about the changing climate (regardless how much of it is man-caused or not) and dwindling oil reserves.
JMG #146: “The entire subject of environmental limits was weaponized for political gain …”. Yes, I agree with that. It seems that when the US. Democratic party adopts some otherwise sensible agenda (in addition to all the nonsensible agendas like the gender-madness), it’s a kiss of death for it.
Yes, now that you mention it, the song “Spinning wheel,” is very much to the point.
There was an article in the latest Smithsonian headed something like “The real Ragnarok.” It was a volcanic eruption in the 6th Century A.D. which spewed so much ash into the air that there were 3 years without a summer all over Northern Europe – the Norse and Germanic areas. The immense suffering, complete with starvation, disease, and lots of chaotic fighting, fit the description in The Eddas completely. And after that, The Smithsonian added, a lot of religious items revolving around sun-worship were vandalized by the angry victims of the disaster, and the current pantheon, especially Odin/Wotan reigned supreme. (I was taught in college – UNM’s Medieval Studies program, a quarter of a century ago, that the trickster Odin replaced the war god of tribal law and justice, Tyr, as the head of the pantheon, because tribal law could not cope with the chaos of the the Migration Era, but a god of madness and magic could. make of it what you will. I do note that it was Germany, not Scandinavia, that got caught up in that archetype and self-destructed spectacularly in my own lifetime. For what that’s worth.
This fourth Wednesday is going to be a lively one.
“but the US government doesn’t actually produce much for all that money.”
The current headline; “NSA “Actively Investigating” Secret Kink Chats On Internal Message Board”
I wonder if I really want to know what a “sex polycule” might be.
““Vance reads Eugyppius? That strikes me as a very good sign”
I wouldn’t be surprised if he reads here.”
That he reads at all is a very good sign; not so sure it’s been true of all our leaders.
Siliconguy,
Thankfully for both of us “polycule” is just a cringey word for a polyamorous living arrangement i.e. multiple guys living with and having sex with the same woman (ok, not always, but that’s the stereotypical case).
It’s a play on “molecule.”
Hi John Michael,
Respect! I enjoyed your dialogue with Karhukainen. That was the exact core issue I took away from the incident with the charity mugger. It needn’t have been this way, but I believe people looked into what it would take, then backed away.
And the fake employee fraud would not surprise me one bit. It’s common fraud termed ‘ghost employees’. I’ve never seen it in my own professional career, but that’s because I worry about things like, err, internal controls. But over the years I’ve read about some whoppers in the news. I’d have to suggest the possibility that ghost employees are in the system is a likely probability.
Cheers
Chris
Walt, and JMG – Re: five bullet points on what you did last week. I suspect that the fear was based on a hypothesis that the actual responses could be ranked by one of DOGE’s AI assistants, and the bottom 10%, 20%, or whatever shown to the door. Maybe Musk intended it to just produce a show of hands for those who are paying attention, and maybe those were on approved vacation could have plead their case later, but recent behavior on Musk’s part does not engender trust. Ranked performance evaluations, with automatic dismissal for the bottom decile have been used, not necessarily to good effect, in industry (GE, I think; remember them?).
@JMG RE: Chris Hedges
That is a very fair take. He can be more optimistic relative to himself when his side is on the up swing but by comparison to others it is usually still somewhat grim. I always have to remember is that he is a Presbyterian minister and as such he brings that preacher cadence and grim manner to his writing and talks. It has a style of ‘fire and Brimstone’ and “it is the end of everything and all happiness forever!”.
At the very least it is entertaining writing even if very hyperbolic. It is at least better than the the audible/printed carbon monoxide poisoning you hear out of Noam Chomsky and Christopher Hitchens.